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KoenV
01-13-2008, 02:50 PM
I'm looking for a bit of advice about concert photography.
I made my first attempt yesterday :
http://photos.vrnoeveren.com/p1022473921/

I used my E3 with the 40-150 handheld.
Iso : 800 - 1600 (most of the time)
Mode : A
Metering : spot
Format : raw
Focus : c-af

I post-processed using Lightroom. The WB needed very little tweaking.
There is noise but it isn't bothering me a lot.

I might buy a 50-200 later this year.
Will this lens give me the opportunity to keep shooting handheld at 400-800 iso? When I look at the shutter speeds I got yesterday it should be ok.
I don't mind using a monopod. A tripod is difficult because it's extremely difficult to get a permit and space to photograph + security doesn't like these.

Are you using a fixed WB or do you keep it on automatic?

finemom
01-13-2008, 10:07 PM
I think your photos came out great. I'm impressed you did so well with the kit lens. I'm assuming you had a steady light on the performers. I did a concert with the E3 and the lights were blinking on/off with different colors. Some lights were blinking at the audience, right in our faces. I was standing in a crowd. I used iso1600 and then tried iso3200 for awhile. I had to use noise reduction software. I used my 35-100/f2 handheld. I had to take photos really fast when the light ended up on the person, otherwise they were in the dark. Here's a link to some of the photos. Concert photography is certainly a challenge and I felt the E3 did it's job. I would never use 3200 again unless there was no other way to get a shot and since I was in such a dark place, I hardly think there would ever be a use for 3200.

http://finemom.smugmug.com/gallery/1441939/2#243196145 (http://http://finemom.smugmug.com/gallery/1441939/2#243196145)

ravenintherain
01-13-2008, 11:48 PM
I might buy a 50-200 later this year.
Will this lens give me the opportunity to keep shooting handheld at 400-800 iso? When I look at the shutter speeds I got yesterday it should be ok.
I don't mind using a monopod. A tripod is difficult because it's extremely difficult to get a permit and space to photograph + security doesn't like these.

Are you using a fixed WB or do you keep it on automatic?

Today I was out shooting handheld in late afternoon light at ISO 800 with the Sigma 50-500. The Oly 50-200 is a faster and considerably higher quality lens. It should do very well for spotlit concert shooting at much lower than 3200 ISO.

As far as white balance, you would probably want to do custome white balance for the lighting in the location.

Dale

KoenV
01-14-2008, 01:52 PM
Thanks for the comment and advice about the 50-200 lens!

During each song the light was very steady. Especially on the singer.
The other musicians got a lot less light so for the wider shots I measured on a lighter area, try to get 1/20 or more + press the AE lock.
Next time I'll try to shoot a few sequences in M mode with various settings.
That might be the solution when the light changes a lot.
I got similar difficult light during an event (shot with my E400 + kitlenses - http://photos.vrnoeveren.com/p230635643/).
A strobo + blacklight + a lot of smoke...
The colours were really awful so I tried to convert everything to b&w to show the viewer at least a bit of the feel of the performance.
Unfortunately the amazing 35-100/f2 is not within my budget at this time.

I took 215 photos in about 2 hours.
Each burst of about 5-10 pictures resulted in 1-3 usable pictures.
Sometimes 1/40 or 1/60 seemed to be enough to freeze the movement of the singer but sometimes it's not enough.
When I look at the exif I think it's indeed possible to get 1/60 of 1/125 at 3.5 with iso 400 or 800 and the 50-200 instead of having to use iso 1600 and 5.6 / 6.3 with the kitlens.

The kitlenses (I got these when I bought the E400) keep amazing me!
My travel pics from Portugal also turned out better than expect. (http://photos.vrnoeveren.com/p105152843/ => shot with the E400).

People find it a bit weird to get an E3 and use it with the cheaper kitlenses but it's a good temporary solution.
I bought the E3 for the liveview because it's handy for panoramic photography with the 8mm.
Example :
http://antwerp.360cities.net/fs.html?loc=sintpauluschurch.p36

roger h
01-15-2008, 04:13 AM
Koen, that's some VERY nice stuff! You couldn't have done much better. My concert shooting days were about fifteen years ago at the Konocti Harbor Resort and Spa (http://www.konoctiharbor.com/) in northern California. I covered a number of them for the resort for advertising purposes. They had just expanded both their indoor and outdoor showrooms, and were quickly becoming the #1 small venue in the U.S. for concert acts. It was an exciting time. Obviously, when I shot, I shot film. I shot hand-held and with a monopod as the monopod can be moved more quickly and is easier to use in a crowd. My only suggestion for you would be to find the proper white balance and set it manually. That way the sensor isn't fooled by multi-color lights.

Folks only look at you oddly with an E3 and kit lenses because it is generally considered that its the glass, not the body that makes the photos. Many of us spend our extra cash on glass and then make the most of whatever body they mount on currently. You'll find that your lens investment will last over the time you wear out or trade off three or four bodies, so that's the place to put your money.

The 50-200 is an amazing lens for shooting such things as concerts. An f/1.4 "normal" prime lens is also a good investment for low-light/high shutter speed shooting, especially for shots covering the entire stage.

Good job!

Roger

shunra
01-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Very nice work, Koen. I used the old 40-150 lens for some of my own concert photos, and got pretty good results with it too. I really loved that lens, but I sold it with my E-500, hoping that the newer 40-150 will be as good. I'm a bit worried, it being one stop slower than the old one... I haven't tried it for concert photography yet, so your pictures are encouraging.


I like your panoramic pictures of Antwerp. I had to look at them, having lived in Antwerp from 1992 to 1997. How do you create this 3D video? I'd love to learn that technique!

Thanks!

3dpan
01-18-2008, 03:41 PM
Yes, I'd like to know how to do that 360X180 pano too.

You could start a separate "how to" thread on that subject.

Cheers,
Alec

JakeHoffman
03-25-2008, 04:31 PM
http://jakehoffman.com/gallery/gabe1.jpg
Definitely a bit different than my style. I've been shooting local metal/punk shows for a few years. I tend to get as close as possible so the flash can do a bit of work for me.
http://jakehoffman.com/gallery/jack1.jpg

Being friends with the band never hurts, you can get a bit closer
http://jakehoffman.com/gallery/lastllgs/P1011029small.jpg

Kat
03-27-2008, 01:22 PM
Nice pics, you could try a warm filter in front of the flash.
I use to do that when i shot metal bands, (long time ago :evilgrin:)
Those were slides back then.

Kat

Hokuto
03-28-2008, 06:29 PM
I'm looking for a bit of advice about concert photography. . . .Are you using a fixed WB or do you keep it on automatic?


I think the shots look just a bit dark and warm (saturation high?), but you did good for a first time. If the lighting is steady (not varying colors), I always try to get a custom white balance beforehand, although if you're shooting raw it doesn't matter, of course, since you can change it in pp.
I've shot concerts for several years with the E-300, E-1 and now E-3, using the 50-200mm and it works pretty well. In my case the 35-100mm would work better, but I can't afford it at present. I usually use shutter-priority at 1/60 to 1/120 (depending on what focal length I'm using), spot exposure on the faces, adjust EV as required, and then set ISO to the minimum value that will give me hand-holdable shots at the given shutter speed--that usually works out to between 800 and 1600 with the 50-200. When using the E-1 and E-300 I shot SHP jpegs because (IMO) they were easier to pp for noise (Neatimage or Noiseware). When shooting jpegs, it was even more critical to get a custom WB, since that seemed to affect the noise. I have shots from a few concerts uploaded HERE (http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/Peregrinor/concerts/) (the subdirectories are for individual concerts).