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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Stuttaton: May be for a liveview new system!
    As I see on the picture, it seems that the LCD is not fixed...

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttaton View Post
    I wonder why the mirror hump is protruding so much in front of the lens mount. Normally, this is done to make room for the built-in flash. As this camera doesn't have a flash, it must be to make room for something else. But what? The prism will certainly not use this extra space.

    /Jörgen
    May be place for live view ccd sensor ....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llpoolej View Post
    Much sexier without the grip! Not ugly at all. Maybe the grip is just uber functional and we can forgive its unattractiveness??
    My wild guess is ..... the recess is for the wrist to rest when you hold up the camera to eye level and zoom/focus ... love or hate the shape, but seems ergonomicly good ...
    The old E-1 shape and the new E-P1(?) is just like the change of the outline of BMW motorbikes ... from curves to more straight lines and edges ... however, the tilted angle of the top lcd part could be good for user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes View Post
    May be place for live view ccd sensor ....?
    Yes, that's what I'm thinking too.

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Greetings,

    I rather hope that the viewfinder hump is an indication of a new pentaprism on steroids. A bigger and brighter viewfinder (with 100% coverage like the E-1) would be very nice.
    Best regards, FL

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    Quote Originally Posted by llpoolej View Post
    Much sexier without the grip! Not ugly at all. Maybe the grip is just uber functional and we can forgive its unattractiveness??
    Don't know about you, but having a vertical grip is essential to my shooting style and habit... Either way, I hope, and I know, that Olympus will really want to make the E-x a kickbutt camera body because of what the competition has already in the market that really makes a lot of sense and are real workhorses.

    I am a little disappointed that Olympus totally cut the veritcal grip option for the prosumer range... I was still hoping for the E-330 to have a vertical grip. Looks like I am selling my E-330 (very underused as a spare body) and use that money for the new E-x.
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    Quote Originally Posted by First Light View Post
    Greetings,

    I rather hope that the viewfinder hump is an indication of a new pentaprism on steroids. A bigger and brighter viewfinder (with 100% coverage like the E-1) would be very nice.
    In a way, I think Olympus is listening to the needs of their user community. Like you, I am hoping that Olympus will really work on a brighter and bigger viewfinder because everyone is really bitching about it and comparing it to other professional cameras out there in the market (let's not start the comparison since the E-1 is a really aged camera).

    Looking at what the compeition has released, and from the mock up, looks like Olympus is working really hard on (1) Ergonomics (2) Improvements like possible live view? brighter bigger viewfinder (3) implementation of some "special sauce" that makes the E-x something that will wow the world.

    The larger size of the camera makes sense for me as it balances out well with the Platinum range of lenses (which is a lot more heavier) and having a heavier and larger body makes good "feel" and balance in our hands. Maybe in my case.

    Its like using a 50-200 on a E-330 and E-1. The "feel" is so different. You know the better and heavier lenses feels better on the pro camera body.

    Just my two cents. Feel free to correct me on this. Cheers.
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    I am all for a larger E3 body. It will give them more room to put a faster, more powerful processor, and all those extra pixels.

    Lawrence

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    I love the grip on my camera. Though this new one may be extremely ergonomical, it still doesn't float my boat asethetically. I can get over looks. (Good thing my husband can too )

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    It appears that the body itself is not larger and according to photoshopped info on another site the body itself is actually smaller, this is the reason why the pentaprism looks larger.

    The real problem that most people will now face is the history timeline. When the original E-1 was anounced it was something in early march, was it not? The camera made it to the stores the first week in october. The prototype body that was under glass changed very little (if at all) while at this moment the E-? is still without half of the "finish"............no battery door, no memory door etc., etc............ Somebody has already mentioned march of next year (I think that is a dream). All there is is a mockup, not even a prototype.

    I will buy it whenever it arrives but I believe next october, not march is more realistic.

    Randy

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Quote Originally Posted by the beast View Post
    It appears that the body itself is not larger and according to photoshopped info on another site the body itself is actually smaller, this is the reason why the pentaprism looks larger.
    The real problem that most people will now face is the history timeline. When the original E-1 was anounced it was something in early march, was it not? The camera made it to the stores the first week in october. The prototype body that was under glass changed very little (if at all) while at this moment the E-? is still without half of the "finish"............no battery door, no memory door etc., etc............ Somebody has already mentioned march of next year (I think that is a dream). All there is is a mockup, not even a prototype.
    I will buy it whenever it arrives but I believe next october, not march is more realistic.
    Randy
    Randy,
    I think that you are probably right. One thing that drew me to olympus, was their desire to get it right. If I was a Canon shooter, I would have been not happy to go from 20D to 30D, for some minor updates. They may get a camera quicker, but really, I would rather save some money and get some nice stuff.

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    I was trying to compare sizes with a E-500, based on the 2.5" LCD

    But then I noticed the back-LCD isn't as square as the E-500 one.

    It's 2:3 sized, not 3:4! I surely hope this is a true mock-up..........

    Arjan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkey View Post
    I was trying to compare sizes with a E-500, based on the 2.5" LCD

    But then I noticed the back-LCD isn't as square as the E-500 one.

    It's 2:3 sized, not 3:4! I surely hope this is a true mock-up..........
    Always try to compare based on Flash Hot-Shoe, all the rest can be misleading - or the size of the same lens.

    Yours Bojan

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    Hi Marco,

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco Frissen View Post
    and olympus europa has uploaded the "E system strategy commitment" brief as PDF:
    http://www.olympus-europa.com/consum...Commitment.pdf
    This is the most interesting part:

    We assure you there will be successors to the E-1 constantly,
    and the Olympus E-System and the Four Thirds System will continue to grow.
    Masaharu Okubo
    President, Olympus Imaging Corporation
    Good to remember when people start to whine about too long product cycle next time it is time for a new professional body.

    Cheers, Jens.

    PS. I don't think the product cycles are unreasonably long for the E-system dSLRs - rather surprisingly short for a minor player like Olympus.
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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    When I look at this mock-up, I see the old Canon EOS-630. Does anyone else see that influence?

    Rob Bye

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    I really like the design of the body. It actually reminds me of the BMW Z4 dash design where the lines across the top are tapered. Excellent I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Bye View Post
    When I look at this mock-up, I see the old Canon EOS-630. Does anyone else see that influence?

    Rob Bye
    Jepp, tought i had seen that cut-off verticalgripp design before. Just didn´t recall it. Boy, the 630 was made in 1980-something. Looks like Olympus has studied canon design litle bit too close. Hope it hasn´t spread to the inside of the body too...

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    Default It sure is bigger!

    I agree with you Jörgen.



    It sure looks a lot bigger. It has muscular shoulders - like a wrestler and it is a fair bit wider (~+18%). Looks higher as well but that is harder to tell due to the slightly different perspective.

    I immediately fell in love whith the E-1 when I saw it first time. Then after I had tried it, I knew that I was going to own one. With this camera... no... -no love at first sight here! I think my E-1 is a feminine camera while this beast clearly is masculine - like the BMW Z4 as Allo mentioned.

    The left image showing the E-1 successor mockup is copied from this site: "Mytikas". The right side was taken by me with my trusty C5050 - still going strong. Apologies for the poor lighting - just took a snap with on-board flash.

    Cheers, Jens.

    PS. The images don't have exactly the same perspective but the diameters of the lenses are the same at their bases so I think it is a 'roughly fair' comparison.

    PPS. I also erased the strap from my E-1 in PP.
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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    To be honest...the appearance makes little difference to me. The battery grip is definitely shaped differently than the E-1's HLD-2, so no swapping here. What's that? Another $300-$400? Minor detail.

    What I'm interested in are the capabilities, features, specifications, and performance. Those will be the tells.

    I only have a few questions...feel free to add to the list.

    How big will the buffer be?
    How many shots per second will it shoot?
    How fast will it write to the memory?
    What kind of memory?
    Will the new camera(s) incorporate the DNG file format? (wouldn't it be nice to have RAW+DNG?)
    Will batteries last longer per charge?
    Will we need to buy new batteries?
    What will the fastest flash synch speed be? Can't it be closer to 1/1000?
    Will there be true (variable) automatic ISO with the flash on instead of just ISO100?
    Will there be wireless integrated?
    Will the AF speed and low light performance improve?
    Will there be more focus points?
    Will there be a wider range of ISO? Both ends of the scale?
    Will there be more shutter speed choices?
    How will the metering be improved?
    Will the meter performance be improved for low light?
    Will the dynamic range be increased or improved with the supposedly improved metering?
    Will the viewfinder be larger, or brighter, or easier for manual focus?
    Yes...how many pixels are planned?
    What type of sensor will it have? (CMOS, CCD or Foveon?)
    Will it have live view?
    Will there be scenes?
    I didn't see a separate white balance illuminator, or an AF assist illuminator...what about those? Any improvements there?
    What about the Custom White Balance button...where'd it go?
    Where'd the DOF button go?
    What are all those buttons on the mockup for? How about some labels?
    The top lcd looks huge.
    Will the diopter range on the viewfinder be increased...we're not getting younger you know.
    What are they going to do about the problem on the rubberized grips...will they be prone to coming loose like the E-1's?
    Can we assume improved weather-proofing?
    What about software improvements?

    Oh, and the assumption is that it will work flawlessly...right?

    About the shape...that viewfinder sure looks like the E500's. The body looks like something out of Battlestar Gallactica in black. On second thought.....like you OzRay...I think it looks kind of cool.

    Really...mock ups are fine...what about the important things?

    I forgot...how much will it cost?

    OK...I'm done.

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    Oh yeah...will the shutter life be extended far beyond the E-1's 150,000?

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    I like the look of the new E, though I must say I was jolted by the weird look of the grip.

    I wish more could be discerned from this mockup, but the lack of obvious features like proper controls on the grip suggests that almost nothing of the real feature set of the camera should be inferred from the model.

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Kyle...agreed. It is just a mockup. There's a lot yet to be finalized. (Feel free to expand on my list.)

    My wife just bought another time-share in Cabo San Lucas...maybe I won't be buying an expensive new camera after all.

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    Full EXIF...
    [Image]
    Image Description = OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
    Make = OLYMPUS CORPORATION
    Model = E-1
    Orientation = top/left
    X Resolution = 240
    Y Resolution = 240
    Resolution Unit = inch
    Software = Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
    Date Time = 2006-09-25 15:25:51
    Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 240
    [Camera]
    Exposure Time = 1/160"
    F Number = F7.1
    Exposure Program = Manual
    ISO Speed Ratings = 100
    Exif Version = Version 2.21
    Date Time Original = 2006-09-13 11:53:16
    Date Time Digitized = 2006-09-13 11:53:16
    Shutter Speed Value = 7.32 TV
    Aperture Value = 5.66 AV
    Exposure Bias Value = ±0EV
    Max Aperture Value = F2.8
    Metering Mode = CenterWeightedAverage
    Light Source = unknown
    Flash = Off
    Focal Length = 67mm
    Color Space = sRGB
    Exif Image Width = 800
    Exif Image Height = 813
    File Source = DSC
    CFA Pattern = [G,R],
    [B,G]
    Custom Rendered = Normal process
    Exposure Mode = Manual exposure
    White Balance = Manual white balance
    Digital Zoom Ratio =
    Scene Capture Type = Normal
    Gain Control = None
    Contrast = Normal
    Saturation = Normal
    Sharpness = Normal
    [Thumbnail Info]
    Compression = JPEG Compressed (Thumbnail)
    X Resolution = 72
    Y Resolution = 72
    Resolution Unit = inch
    JPEG Interchange Format = Offset: 802
    JPEG Interchange Format Length = Length: 5249
    [Thumbnail]
    Thumbnail = 157 x 160

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    if this is it then i 'm quite disappointed; it looks no different than other DSLRs on the market , especially canon... ... i 've always love the asymmetrical design of the E1 whereby the left side is short so you can hold the lens easily, and plenty of room on the right for the grip...and the squarish masculine right shoulder...why go back to film body design and emulate the rest with those sloped feminine shoulders? there's no more film spool to house, darn it ? ...seems like Oly doesn't want to look different anymore, conformity may be the last nail on the coffin i'm afraid

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    Default Re: Next E !!! official picture

    Quote Originally Posted by deevee View Post
    if this is it then i 'm quite disappointed; it looks no different than other DSLRs on the market , especially canon... ... i 've always love the asymmetrical design of the E1 whereby the left side is short so you can hold the lens easily, and plenty of room on the right for the grip...and the squarish masculine right shoulder...why go back to film body design and emulate the rest with those sloped feminine shoulders? there's no more film spool to house, darn it ? ...seems like Oly doesn't want to look different anymore, conformity may be the last nail on the coffin i'm afraid
    Actually, I think it looks a fair bit different to the others, but that may change as dials etc are added. That aside, there may be some very logical reasons to alter the asymetric design and one reason may be as simple as to enable a larger screen. There may be additional reasons, to do with electronics etc.

    But I am curious, what will you choose in lieu?

    Cheers

    Ray

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