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    Default Political Correctness.

    Today I was asked by my boss to remove two photographs from the front of my office, because one/some individual was offended by what I had put on my office window. In order not to draw the crabs, I was asked to replace the photographs with ones that were not so provocative.

    I maintain a rotating gallery on my office front window, covering a range of subjects for the month. A conference was being held in a meeting room just outside my office today and apparently, during a break, an active discussion centred on two photographs. The two photographs were:





    By the sounds of it, one or more individuals found these photographs offensive and that resulted in their withdrawal. For the life of me, it beggars belief that these two photographs could be deemed offensive, but then maybe I live in some dim, dark age that has well passed its time.

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    Ray, a Columbine is defintely called for. Storm in tomorrow morning and clean out that nest of filthy minded vipers, with a flash gun in each fist,
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    Default Re: Political Correctness.

    Ray,

    I get upset by this. I can't for my life see what is offensive in these perfect pictures of lovely young ladies, obviously showing off in their most normal dresses before the ball (- or something). Quite normal - IMHO!

    Is it that they show some bare skin? - Can't see how that would offend anyone - in particular not in Oz .

    Is it that they wear evening gouns that emphasize their female body shapes? - I can't see how that can be offensive either. What's the point of such dresses then?.. and I don't know anyone, female or male, who would think such dresses were offensive when encountered in real life at the right public occasion.

    Although I can't see the offense, I strongly suspect that it was exactly the two reasons that I mentioned that were the cause of the discussion. If so, it is a very negative development of our western civilization.

    Maybe you should ask specifically what was the problem. I'd be curious to know.

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    Jens

    I will try to find out some more details. Today it was a rushed, 'get those photographs off the wall', but I'd like to know exactly who was offended and why. It really is a sad day if something like this has to be removed from view, because one or two find it unacceptable.

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    Only a self-repressed pervert would be offended by those photos!
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    I find those photos quite normal and not offensive at all. As Photographers, we know what can be offensive and know it would be tacky to show such a picture on a wall in public. I see photos exactly like those in the offices of my coworkers all the time from school graduations or formal school dances. I can understand if you had women in bikinis up on the wall, but not formal wear.

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    Perhaps you have Muslim coworkers? These may possibly offend them
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    If the first is "offensive", then I'd punch whoever finds it offensive in the face. BUT, perhaps, they are offended by the statue on the right?

    The 2nd could be deemed not office worthy. I'm not saying it is, but I could see someone whining about it. Two women. Hugging. Throwing kisses. etc.

    Hang a picture of your church on the wall, and someone from a different religion or something will eventually complain about it. Becomes more a sad world every week it seems.

    My reaction would be to either do and look in every office in the place and take notes about others pics, or (more than likely) I would take EVERYTHING off my walls and when someone (everyone?) asks, I'd do a show and tell by pulling out the offending images from a drawer.

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    Default Re: Political Correctness.

    I guess it's possible that someone thought that the somewhat skimpy dresses "objectify" women. I consider myself a feminist, but I always like to see nice photos of attractive people, and these certainly qualify. I'm sorry this happened, Ray. It seems like there's a segment of people out there (on both sides of the political spectrum) who go around just looking for things to be offended by . . . .

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    Edit: Maybe next time you want to put up a photo of a beautiful lady, you could balance it with a shot of an attractive gentleman, just for insurance. And be sure to post them both here! ;-)

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    A say day when you are told to take those shots down!
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    Ray Like everyone else I cannot see what anyone would find offensive in those photos. I now you may have bent and removed them for the sake of peace, but I would not have until those finding them offensive had explained their views to me in person, and in front of witnesses. Itís all very well accepting a complaint and meekly complying but in doing so we will not progress as a society, and add to the stifling of debate.

    Iím a Kiwi but live in the UK and have noticed that just recently people are expected to just roll over and accept everything they are told. This tone is/has been set by Government in the light of security concerns etc but it has been allowed for too long now to seep into every aspect of our daily life, where it is not appropriate, and needs to stop.

    This sort of censorship goes totally against all that we are about and we all have to contribute to stopping it in our own ways. I donít know what has happened in the world, but I find myself getting frustrated at these infringements to our freedom whilst my 2 children at university think I am some sort of radical and wonder what all the fuss is about, but it does neatly illustrate how they have been subtlety conditioned at school.

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    Well, I can't comment on what might or might not be politically incorrect in Oz, but both images were executed extremely well. You were fortunate to find a neutral background and you organized very nice lighting.
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    Default Re: Political Correctness.

    Ray, you have hit on one of my personal pet peeves.


    ...soapbox on...

    Without starting a political discussion or debate, as that's NOT my intent here... in the U.S. there has been a NeoCon movement for the past twelve or so years. That movement believes that wholesomeness will be achieved by controlling all "non-wholesome" thoughts and activities. Anything that might lead to an "unwholesome" thought is evil. Fortunately here, by law our citizens do NOT have the right NOT to be offended. Quite the opposite, constitutionally-protected free speech is about protecting our right to BE offensive in our speech. That's what guarantees that all parties have a voice. I deal with this issue daily in the performance of my employment duties.

    The workplace is a different matter as you choose to work there, and abide by your employer's rules, whatever they may be. Your choice, of course, if you don't want to live by those rules is to leave that employment... not a prospect any of us relish (usually).

    What I find particularly offensive in your circumstances is that your employer chooses to listen to other employees regarding tastefully and well done photographs rather than telling them to mind their own business; that it's THEIR choice whether to continue their employement in the atmosphere which exists. As a U.S. Supreme Court justice ruled years ago, "I can't describe pornography, but I know it when I see it", and your work sure ain't "IT". I am in a highly visible job in public employment and I have a Sports Illustrated" daily calendar on my desk that was a gift from my wife. It certainly shows more than your photos. I have asked each of my female employees if they found it offensive before I put it up, explaining that it was a gift from my wife and it has been on my desk now since the first of the year.


    ... soapbox off...

    I wish you well with this one. You certainly have MY support (for all the good it will do you... )



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    Ray,

    On the one hand, I'm very upset if this is some sort of PC thing. The PC movement is something that bothers me to no end. It is a major indication in my book that common sense is no longer common.

    On the other hand, if young women who look like that are common where you live, I need to think about packing up and moving to OZ!

    Let us know if you find out more about what prompted them to order the photos removed.

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    Ray you have my sympahy but if these are considered provactive, it makes you wonder what is going on in the dark recesses of the minds of the person/persons complaining!

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    keep in mind that his boss also has a problem...he agrees with the complainers...



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    Well, Like the others,I find the pics of the girls nice and can see nothing that would offend. All the girls from "Down under" seem to be knock-outs and not an under nurished one down there. But some companies,including mine, can sometime be very touchy about photos and if the meetings' conversation involved the pictures,obviously,someone was put off by them. It wasn't any thing to do with the photos, it was a business decision. Maybe your employer has rules on these types of photos that they have not informed you about? Any way, when you are employed by someone, "When in Rome do as the Romans do" always pays. Forget it and walk away.

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    Boss doesn't have much choice. They have to act on a complaint, or risk a harassment lawsuit which would mean the end of their job.

    The whole political correctness thing is a sham anyway. It just breeds silent contempt. Personally, I am offended by having to alter my speech so as not to project any perceived prejudices. PC doesn't seem to address that inequity...

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    OK, these photos are "offensive" and you "missed the shot" with your cricket pic?????

    Ray, you're a lightning rod for wackos! Maybe you need to go on walkabout and do some kind of purification.
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    I wouldn't even begin to speculate but I do suggest that you bloody well put them back because they are both beautiful.

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    Those are perfectly normal and beautiful shots, Ray.
    Look for a few employees with a birth date before the year 1800 and you have found the complainers.
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    I hope to find out a little more today on exactly what prompted this reaction; yesterday my boss didn't have time to expand on things.

    Maybe I should stick to shots of footballers in tight shorts grabbing and/or hugging each other.

    Cheers

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    Maybe I should stick to shots of footballers in tight shorts grabbing and/or hugging each other.
    *snigger*
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    Default Re: Political Correctness.

    Ray, if I were in your shoes, I would replace them with 2 images that are slightly more edgy.

    Yes, i'd do it just to get a reaction. The complaints about your shots was un-called for. How many billboards have you seen showing a half clothed woman laying next to a mug of beer... Or the things that they print in the papers. I say either stand your ground and put them back up, or replace them with 2 very similar images.

    Clearly, someone was just a little cranky.

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    People are weird and seem to be getting more weird every day. I would be interested in knowing if there is a written office policy that forbids images like these being posted. If not, I think you boss is a little out-of-line in asking you to remove them.

    By the way, I think they are nice shots of beautiful women.

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