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    I've been really fighting the variable light quality in many of the arenas I shoot in. The lighting is really all over the map, and often the splotchy pools caused by mercury vapour lights of varying ages often wreak havoc with the built in metering of the E-300.

    So, I went back to my good old tried and true Sekonic L-398 incident light meter. Walked around the rink taking a readings and then averaged the whole lot. I then set my Oly to manual, set the f stop on the 50-200 to 3.5 and dialed in the shutter speed (initial 1/250) and fired some test shots and then chimped and adjusted, setting on a shutter speed of 1/320

    Oh what a difference. Much more satisfactory. The next game is on Sunday back at the boys' home rink so I'll try it again and compare the results to this shoot and other shoots where I let the E-300 do the thinking.

    I know this may be up there in the "Well, duh!" type of posts, but sometimes there's no school like the old school...
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    Default Re: Went Back to Basics

    Besides the mental exercise, is there a benefit to using a handheld lightmeter versus watching one's histogram?

    How bad is arena lighting compared to fluorescent wrt 60 cycle intensity variation?

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    I know I've said this before, Tom, but sometimes the computer gadgets can't figure out unusual situations... at least not quickly enough to work. They still include manual controls for a reason!

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    An incident light meter is an integrator and I've always had a lot of success with my film burners in snow and complex light. And, tbt I'm more comfortable with the sekonic than the histogram (and best of all, no batteries required...)

    Yes, the rink lights have the 60 cycle intensity variation on top of variable colour and output based on the age of the bulb.
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    Oh aye Roger. Full Ack there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomServoCA View Post
    Oh what a difference. Much more satisfactory. The next game is on Sunday back at the boys' home rink so I'll try it again and compare the results to this shoot and other shoots where I let the E-300 do the thinking.
    What was your flash setup then?
    Oh sorry, perhaps there was no flash at all involved? If there was, I bet it was also on manual? Please let us know.

    yours Bojan

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    Quote Originally Posted by acme View Post
    Besides the mental exercise, is there a benefit to using a handheld lightmeter versus watching one's histogram? ...
    Hi acme,

    IMHO, the histogram (along with the monitor and highlights displays) are an effective replacement for a hand-held light meter. Our digital cameras are very sophisticated light meters. All we have to do is use them as such. I frequently shoot in Manual mode and find that the monitor, histogram and hightlights displays are all that is needed to properly set my exposure.
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    No flash, straight available light (around EV 9-10 at ISO1600).

    I don't think there's a flash out there that will let me do a 5 frame burst at 2.5fps and has a range of 60-70 ft

    Hockey players (especially netminders) don't like strobes popping off in their peripheral vision (which even for 12 year olds at this level of hockey is quite all encompassing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomServoCA View Post
    No flash, straight available light (around EV 9-10 at ISO1600).

    I don't think there's a flash out there that will let me do a 5 frame burst at 2.5fps and has a range of 60-70 ft

    Hockey players (especially netminders) don't like strobes popping off in their peripheral vision (which even for 12 year olds at this level of hockey is quite all encompassing)
    Thanks for explanation - I thought so. Sorry it was early morning in cold but sunny Toronto and I didn't wake properly anyway (I have to admit I still haven't wake up properly and it is already past 1PM )

    Yours Bojan

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    Quote Originally Posted by acme View Post
    Besides the mental exercise, is there a benefit to using a handheld lightmeter versus watching one's histogram?
    I seldom take a hand-held meter out and about any more; the cameras' meters are pretty awesome. I also have an L-398 also though, and it's most useful in flash metering mode with studio lights. It's absolutely essential in quickly balancing flash output from a four-head studio system. I just used it last weekend for a high-school senior's portraits.

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    I seldom take a hand-held meter out and about any more; the cameras' meters are pretty awesome
    I guess I'm just an analog guy in a digital world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomServoCA View Post
    I guess I'm just an analog guy in a digital world...
    And here we thought you were a chimpanzee because of your avatar.
    Best regards, FL

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    Ok, I'm still AT basics, so can someone explain, or point me to a website that explains histograms and how to use them? I'm pretty much a point n shooter hoping to grow up to someone who knows what all those funny dials are for.

    I've learned a lot here, and have a basic understanding of shutter speed and exposure, but beyond that, some days I feel like I'm reading Greek in here! LOL

    I'm learning though.

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    This is one of the best explanations I've read:

    Understanding Histograms


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    Thanks! That looks like what I was looking for.

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    The LL article is a pretty good one on using Histograms - it is just a pity that in order to see the histogram, you need to wait until the image is written to the card, and press a button to view the image and histogram. Only if it was available while the image was being written in the preview mode... Well, maybe on the next model.
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    Default Re: Went Back to Basics

    Ahem... uh... Bob... it does display with the preview on the L1...

    oh... sorry...

    Roger

    On edit... to be accurate, the histogram displays on the preview in LiveView mode... not on the standard preview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrinkpictures View Post
    Only if it was available while the image was being written in the preview mode... Well, maybe on the next model.
    It's there on the E-330 at least, no doubt for this purpose. Unfortunately you can't immediately delete your test photo from the preview, having to first go to playback mode.

    Maybe that refinement will end up in the next model still, but it's a bit of a drag that Olympus has decided not to provide such small firmware improvements to existing models. I've got a nice long laundry list of easy changes that would save a lot of button presses, and in some cases improve the capabilities of the camera, but I've all but given up hope that they'll be addressed.

    One absolutely killer policy change would be for Olympus to opensource the firmwares of dead models, keeping them free of third party licenses with that eventuality in mind. There are a lot of coder/photographers out there, and all kinds of new applications for trailing edge bodies could be developed.

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