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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    The viewfinder may not flip out to the side completely. It might just make its first move out in that direction, to better clear the eyepiece. Swing the right edge out a bit, then the left, now it's out and clear of the eypiece and can tilt up.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Hope so. Not that I will be able to afford to upgrade my E1 until it's successor has been out for a year or two. Nethertheless, I'd prefer a liveview that moves similar to the E330.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by RogerC View Post
    The viewfinder may not flip out to the side completely. It might just make its first move out in that direction, to better clear the eyepiece. Swing the right edge out a bit, then the left, now it's out and clear of the eypiece and can tilt up.
    If the photo is accurate, it looks entirely hinged on the left side. They DCWatch site said the same thing about the model displayed in Tokyo, but since it's still only a final design model, nobody can be sure, I guess.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Seems to me that if you were on the "jumping" fence, or were talked off of it for the time being by people like me, I'd climb back on and leap.

    From last years clay-mation model, to this now? What is one thing todays camera buyers care about (not that it is important, but...)?

    How many pixels? Is it 10mp? We don't know. Might be, might not.

    When is it coming? Sorry, a "range" like 2007 or "summer" isn't good enough, but thanks anyway. Can they not at least say "August" or something?

    And the big laugher in the whole thing for me, it does NOT have a dang name yet? You kidding me?

    Canon sure is a bright example of marketing compared to these folks Olympus has. Canon doesn't have a new Mk III on any stores shelves yet, but they have PLENTY of discussion on its features, and if you want any info about it (Official press releases, complete specs, white papers, etc.) you can get them. Us? We get basically nothing.

    Seems to me this new camera hasn't even seen the light of day yet, and exists only in the mind of a guy with a while jacket in some clean room somewhere, who apparently doesn't know what "name" sticker to put on the front of the thing he doesn't have.

    I am sorry to all that I talked out of jumping. Feel free to continue your efforts.

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    Default Re: Something different.

    This image clearly shows a popup flash:



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    P.s. How do you think you change the shooting mode (PASM) on this camera?

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by First Light View Post
    A careful examination of the E-pro photos reveals the following:

    Front view observations:
    The lens MF/S-AF/C-AF switch has been removed from the front.
    Rear view observations:
    • The monitor LCD appears to be 2.5-inch in size and is articulated. It does not appear to have provision for a protective cover (perhaps it is built in).
    My only disappointment is the apparent lack of a MF/S-AF/C-AF switch. I use it frequently on my E-1. The reason I'm curious about the new external white balance sensor location is that it seems like it will be more easily shadowed, making it less effective. Canon locates theirs up on the pentaprism hump of their pro cameras which seems like a better place to me, too.

    Well, that's what I can deduce so far. Let's see what else our sharp eyed friends can spot.
    I'm sure the MF/S-AF/C-AF 'switch' will now be a button on the top panel (we don't have a top view yet). That means a press of a button and a turn of the dial. If so, this is excellent news. That pesky little button on the E1 is one of its few design faults. It's always getting changed accidentally as I take my camera in and out of its bag.

    I don't think the LCD will need a protective cover. The way these side hinged LCDs usually work is that when you fold it out to the left you can then rotate through 360 degrees (otherwise you won't be able to see it from the rear of the camera). This means that you can store it away so that the LCD screen faces in towards the camera when not in use.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    We ought to start a pool to guess the MSRP of the new E-whatever pro body. I'll guess $2399 USD.

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    Default Re: Pop-up flash, LCD ...

    I agree Doug that this looks like a pop-up flash. If it's not why would they compromise the smooth design of the hump with just a fancy separation groove all around the perimeter? On the other hand it makes zero sense to put pop-up flash on a the only pro camera in the line up. Maybe they will shock everybody with another pro camera?

    Another Oly's move I do not understand is the LCD. So for low and mid budget bodies they stick with fixed LCD screen (where every shooter wants it flipping and articulating) and on a pro body (where most pro people couldn't care less) they go with fully adjustable screen......


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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by First Light View Post
    .....
    There is no built-in flash.
    Sorry, but I guess You are wrong




    it doesn't bother me, if the popup flash will not decrease the water and dust resistance.
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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    I don't think there's any doubt that there's a pop-up flash... The button to pop it up is right below it to the left.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by First Light View Post
    But it is oval---not round. It would be round if it were a connector cap and you'd see it sticking out from the body from the angled view. Hopefully Tony or Julie will see one at PMA and they can settle it. As for the connector sticking out the side, that's the way Olympus has been doing them. The E-1 has two.
    And again Ray is right: those are two screw caps.




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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    The leatherette looks nice - no more bobbly rubber...

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    What is that green-blue label at the back of the prism, left side? Looks like it reads "Copy" and there is a printer symbol below it.

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    Default Totally OT but an interesting observation...

    Check out the different shades of black to purple from the painted vs. plastic parts in the dpwatch side-photo. Looks like the "Canon EOS Kiss Digital X" (according to EXIF) has a similar IR filter problem as the Leica M8. Funny... I never noticed any of the Canon 400D owners or reviewers complain about that...

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    I assume it's some pictbridge thing? The current cameras have something similar although I've never used it.

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    Default Re: Pop-up flash, LCD ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mxs View Post
    I agree Doug that this looks like a pop-up flash. If it's not why would they compromise the smooth design of the hump with just a fancy separation groove all around the perimeter? On the other hand it makes zero sense to put pop-up flash on a the only pro camera in the line up. Maybe they will shock everybody with another pro camera?

    Another Oly's move I do not understand is the LCD. So for low and mid budget bodies they stick with fixed LCD screen (where every shooter wants it flipping and articulating) and on a pro body (where most pro people couldn't care less) they go with fully adjustable screen......
    I had the same thought, plus it has a popup flash despite being weather sealed which again was a no-no for a pro weather sealed camera apparently.

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    Default What year for the E-pro?

    Quote Originally Posted by First Light View Post
    Olympus says it "will make its debut this year" (2007) but we don't yet know when. Olympus also says that "detailed specifications ... will be announced this year."
    This can be read as meaning that a working version or prototype of the camera will be shown this year (the "debut"), but that it won't actually hit the shelves this year. Otherwise, why not just come right out and say that the camera will "be available" this year (the E-510 press release says "The Olympus EVOLT E-510 Digital SLR will be available in June 2007.")?
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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Here's what I'm hoping for -

    1. 3-5 cross type auto focus senors and several linear ones in a wide area array.

    2. Good to great image stabilization at 200mm such that we can shoot at 1/60th or better with no camera shake.

    3. A nice big buffer and a fast frame rate - 5-8 fps would be perfect. I know this doesn't appeal to everyone but if your going to sell to a broad cross section of pros you'll need to have this.

    4. Anywhere between 10-12 megapixels and low noise at 800 that at least keeps up with the Nikon D2x, D200.

    That's it! If they can add that as well as include all of the amazing innovations I've seen on the press release and in the E510 they'll have a system that any pro should put on thier short list.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Ellis View Post
    4. Anywhere between 10-12 megapixels and low noise at 800 that at least keeps up with the Nikon D2x, D200.
    I have it on good authority (my personal tea leaves ) that it'll be 12. I can't see them camping out on the same plateau as the E-410 and -510, and I'll also hazard a guess that the jump to 12MP for a pro camera is what's been holding them up these many months. 12 clean MP on the 4/3 sensor is a far higher hurdle to clear than they initially assumed, or so my tea leaves speak. The technology just hasn't been there to date. From there on out, the leaves look pretty muddy . . .

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    I have to admit, looking at that camera, it just doesn't give me the vibes of being a full blown pro body like the E1. The pop-up flash, articulated screen and the way the grip fits, and the back looks like your thumb would lay over some of the controls. I really liked the look of the earlier iteration, this one doesn't give me much of a warm feeling.

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    Cool Re: The next E-pro...

    I Agree,

    The camera looks like two degrees away from production, not even the preproduction model. It does not have the flow of the batterygrip to body like the E-1. It looks like the rear screen could be boosted to 3 inches in size if there was no need to remind people who the manufacturer is.

    To me Olympus must have had a few designs in the offing and then they waited until after Canon released their "big gun" before showing their hand. The good rumors speaks of 11 focusing sensors (give me 5 cross type that are selectable) but the three sensor button remains.

    It appears also that Oly is holding back a wireless flash system until the date the preproduction body surfaces for real.

    ........and maybe this is all a figment of my imagination.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    I'm with Craig on this one. I was holding out for something much much more robust and more "traditionally" designed for pro users. The pop up flash is absolutely worthless to me. The flip lcd is ok if its completely weather sealed, but it looks like it won't have a protective cover, a HUGE no no in my book. As mentioned before the battery grip design doesn't seem to be on par with the E-1. And to top it off, it appears to have a pictbridge button as John pointed out. I can't imagine any pro wanting to print directly from camera without running his/her images through some sort of post production application, especially those of us who shoot in raw 95% of the time.
    To me, all of this seems "semi-pro-ish". Let us hope this is a semi-pro body (Exx?), and the previous mock up is the flagship. Perhaps they haven't named this model as to not let on it's in fact a semi-pro Exx.

    While a lot of this is pure speculation, it does appear that the model shown is near completion. If this is the Ex, it looks like I'm packing my bags and moving on.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    For some reason the "P-1" doesn't look like the professional camera everyone was expecting. It looks more like a Nikon D200 semi-pro body. But Olympus keeps calling this the successor of their "flagship" professional body..

    from the looks of it, the weatherproofing won't even be remotely similar to the ruggedness of the E1. A built-in flash won't do the sealing much good (ok, it'll be weathersealed, but the E1 can almost be submerged under water).

    I don't like how the grip looks, but I guess that's not final yet.

    I was actually hoping that the live view LCD option would be wireless, with a "clip off" LCD screen..

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    Default Re: Something different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hokuto View Post
    I disagree. Whatever that thing above the viewfinder is, it isn't a flash (IMHO). There's an LCD panel up there (right side in photo above), but nothing else. The front and quarter views of the camera also don't suggest a flash, and I doubt Oly would put one on their flagship.
    More tasty speculation . . .
    I guess its a pop up flash, I can see a flash button at the left hand side of the prism hump....
    but then can it pop up when an external flash mounted? I doubted ... or they suggest to use a new wireless flash? or the pop up flash slides a bit to the front like the E-330 did? just a wild guess ....
    The best thing I saw so far is the main power on-off switch, better location than the E-1
    The worst thing I saw so far is the button for select focus point still the old 3-point one.

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    Default Re: The next E-pro...

    Come on everyone; donít jump to too many conclusions about what you see. Think back, has ffice:smarttags" />lace>Olympuslace> ever released a camera they call their flagship and it not been up with the best? I thought not. They have often been slow, and this is frustrating, but we don't want the same as Nikon who have just updated the D40, before its even had time to sell. The mock up photos do give the P1 an unfinished look, but it would be ill-considered of any of us to draw too many hard and fast conclusions from this. Letís wait and see.fficeffice" />>>
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