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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    I too have seen vertical banding at iso400 on my L1 but only visible on a couple of interior portraits in poor light in oof background. Particularly visible in the RAW file because the noise reduction in the jpegs smears it out to an extent.
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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Hi John, thanks for correcting me. Since the E-400 is using a similar sensor as the rest of the Oly, they can breath easier

    Just wondering if the problem will plague the new line of Es with the LiveMos sensors?

    MartinC, I started with mine the same way. It only appeared in a few shots but I could not duplicate it again..maybe shooting style and settings. I thought I could just live with it and avoid using ISO1600. Then it got into my pictures when I attended a workshop on basic photography. Almost all my low light shots came with banding.

    When I started this thread, I was reviewing the shots I took at an Olympus Roadshow...Played with the 90-250 then but due to the low light and long tele, I switch to the Digital Stabilization Mode...and all those shots came with banding!!!!So you know how I felt!!!! The banding was not seen on the camera's LCD but on prints was a different story.

    Have you sent your L1 in and ask them what's the cause?

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Blu
    You said you switch to Digital IS, if my understanding is right that ups the iso to maintain a higher shutter speed.
    This is what the auto iso setting should be instead of just with the flash as it is now.
    Ill have to look it up but I know the auto iso setting on my 300 only goes up to iso 400 even if the iso boost is on. I wonder if the DIS on the 330 is limited to 400 or will adjust higher if needed.

    What iso are the shots you took at the road show?

    I can avoid 1600 but am just getting use to 400 and would hate to have to avoid that too.

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    The DIS does boot the ISO to as high as needed. but since I was using the 90-250 there combined with the low light, the ISO was booted to 1600. At certain point I could see the speed 1/30.

    The shots were mostly from the roadshow. Either the DIS or ISO1600. Light was not that nice. Let me post some of the direct from camera photos. then you judge. The EXIF should be there as well.

    The ISO Auto selection is pretty dumb. It only works in flash mode.
















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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    In your pictures I see the pattern banding more so than the harsh lines I found in my mall pics.
    I spent a few hours last night shooting low light shots at different settings and isos seeing if I could control the banding, mostly in RAW.
    The good news is the harsh banding stops at 800 and below, Ill have to check again later for the patterns.
    One thing I did read on DP was that some claimed they didn't see the banding if they opened the files with certain softwares, Ill look at those again to see if I can test that theory tonight.
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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    The auto ISO is rather daft given it doesn't work in most modes - it does work on the 'sport' setting but as far as I can tell it only pushes the iso up to 400 and no further.

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Funny is it not? In sports it's limited to 400 or less. Why then does the Digital IS it boost to ISO1600?

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    To be honest, auto iso to 400 makes sense to me - anything above shows more noticeable, excessive noise so that's a decision which should be left to the user, not the camera. 'Digital IS' on the other hand is likely to need far higher ISO to gain acceptable shutter speeds, hence it goes all out with no limit.

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    I try not to use the modes unless I really have no choice. Either on P,S or A and I play around with the ISO only when required. The preprogrammed mode I use mostly is the IS. Switching over is pretty fast at the expense of noise and banding. If the speed at the ISO is above the 1/128 the banding is hardly noticeable. ( only in my case) The noise is not that bad as people says. I am quite ok with it.

    Another thing I notice is that the quick menu is no longer accessible when it's in the Scene Mode. It makes a hassle as I always prefer the center focus point to the Auto mode. So each time I have to manually reset it to center. and if I forget,, I may end up wasting time refocusing a few times. Wonder why Oly makes it so hard??

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    I may need glasses then... I can't see the 45 banding in John's images even if I open them in PaintShopPro no matter how I play with the contrast.

    Could you post a crop of one of his images and point out what you are seing? I might not have tuned in my radar on the same features as you have...

    In any case, it seems to show by a different degree from different cameras. Does different raw-converters change the effect?

    I hope you will get your problem resolved. The main effort here will be to have Olympus acknowledge it...

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    Ok..this is how you do it. Down the pictures. then zoom in with a viewer. In the Paint Shop Pro X, I only have to Zoom in to 200% then look at the clock. You will see the 45deg lines but it's pretty faint. I would accept the as prints up to A4 would not show those bands. The E-330 is ok too just that mine and Jim's is BAD.

    http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...1600e14te6.jpg
    http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...o1600p2sj9.jpg

    Getting Oly to accept the fault is another thing. I just drop Oly Japan (english) another email and gave them the link to those pictures I uploaded. Lets see what they are gonna reply this time.

    My reply so far....

    "webinfo@ot.olympus.co.jp"
    to me

    3:17 pm (4 hours ago)
    Dear Mr. XXXXXXX


    Thank you very much for your inquiry.
    Your question has been assigned the number below:


    ----------------------------------------------
    Your reference number: 200703290019953



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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    OK, thanks, I see it now in John's L1 image (but not in his E330 image).

    Thanks for the explanation and good luck!


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    Default That looks like a fingerprint!

    Quote Originally Posted by JimBarnaby View Post




    I don't know if I've quoted the right image but there's one of yours wheer the 45 lines go from 'thin-and-narrowly-spaced-apart' on the right side to 'wide-and-further-apart-and-at-a-different-angle' on the left!

    Could a worker have left a thumbprint on the delicates?

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    BlueByU, that looks like a fingerprint but it's not, the 330 has always had 'banding' in the high ISOs. But I recall it being horizontal, not angled like your examples show.

    It doesn't bode well for future NMOS bodies!

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    Look at the 410 high iso pictures in technical Discussion at the original size and you see patterns in the higher iso's, banding too. Look at the plant and you will see both.

    I can tell you that the thing I found helped the most was dropping the exposure in raw. Then again I shot so many shots and did so many settings that I may be mistaken.

    Jim
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    A fingerprint?? Don't think so. It only appears at ISO1600 and speeds below the 1/50 range but disappears altogether after the 1/2 or lower. If it's a finger print, why only at ISO1600?

    A friend posted up this complain in DPreview. here is the link

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=22665195

    I cannot get on to DPreview as I do not have a non web base email account.

    What have the service at your country say to this banding? Are we to live with it??

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Leica's M8 has also been plagued with these problems
    in addition it seems affected by off frame light sources too
    they have had the benefit of some firmware fixes for this and other issues

    but of note to you guys
    users have also found that some RAW converters are better than others

    i would have 2 questions
    where these RAW conversions of jpeg's ?
    does it happen in RAW too ?
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    Yes, the banding is there even in the RAW shots. Anywhere I an post up the ORF? Since it's there in the RAW, any conversion to JPEG would still show the bandings.

    These 2 shots were taken in RAW and converted to JPEG with the Olympus Master 2.0.




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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    ok, have you got another RAW converter you can try
    and is it still in jpeg's straight from the camera too ?

    guys at Leica found that different RAW converters overcame it for M8
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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Other converter I have is the RawShooter. No difference. You got an Email, I send it to you.

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    This is a scary read, and I ordered a 330 today as well.

    Paul

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Sorry paul to scare you. The E-330 is very usable in ISO100. Even with all my complains on banding, I still like the camera's performance, the standard glass quality and all.

    When you receive the camera, do a few test shots. Set the ISO to 1600, then aperture to max open. Point to anywhere till the speed shows 1/50 or less then take a few snap shots. look at it in you computer. If you see the banding lines, send it back for an exchange.

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Quote Originally Posted by Blu-by-u View Post
    Yes, the banding is there even in the RAW shots. Anywhere I an post up the ORF?
    You can upload to here:
    http://dropbox.yousendit.com/43photo
    I will post a link when I get it.

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Think Olympus is finally monitoring all these complaints. Got an Email from Olympus Japan saying that it's a CCD problem and ask me to send the camera in for repairs. So JimBarnaby, do make a trip to the service center.

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    Default Re: Problem with my E-330

    Quote Originally Posted by Blu-by-u View Post
    Sorry paul to scare you. The E-330 is very usable in ISO100. Even with all my complains on banding, I still like the camera's performance, the standard glass quality and all.

    When you receive the camera, do a few test shots. Set the ISO to 1600, then aperture to max open. Point to anywhere till the speed shows 1/50 or less then take a few snap shots. look at it in you computer. If you see the banding lines, send it back for an exchange.
    I seemed to have dodged a bullet on this one, as I don't see the effects these shots show, I will watch for it very carefully, is it something that seems to be inherent, or an onset over time kind of thing?

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