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    Default E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    I'm trying really hard. The E-510 is so tempting, but ultimately the E-3 will be the more satisfying camera ... when or if it ever comes out. The lastest DPR rumor (not that I believe everything I read. BUT!) says September. Okay. Maybe.

    They are claiming focus points in the double digits. I don't know if we really need that many, but a few on the rule of thirds intersections would be nice.

    The pro cam will have faster C-AF. It will accept a vertical grip. The JPEG engine will likely be better. I assume the flash synch speed will be faster.

    I would expect it to be able to do 5fps. (I prefer to capture the action in one shot, but it is nice to be able to shoot a sequence when you want/need to.) The E-3 will probably have an ISO 3200 that is nearly as clean as the E-1's 800. Add to that all the perks you would expect of an E-1 successor, like durability, ergonomics, and weather proofing.

    But right now the E-pro is a mirage, whereas the E-510 is reality, and a really nice little camera at that. They were projecting a July 20 release in Japan; now they're saying June 29. So close!

    I'm just a hobby shooter, so I don't need faster AF or IS or live view, so sue me, but I think the E-510 would be fun to have this summer. Fotogirls like shiny new toys, too!

    Frankly, I can afford both cameras, but there are other things I would rather spend my money on (travel; lenses; good food and drink), and something in my frugal Yankee nature balks against buying one camera and turning around and getting another two months later. Even if I sell the first.

    So who else out there is trying to resist the siren song of the E-510, while madly tap-tap-tapping on a calculator?

    "Let's see, if I get the 2-lens kit for $X, when the E-pro comes out I can sell the 510 body for $X-$Y and consider the loss 'rental fees' and either keep the lenses for lightweight travel or maybe I should sell the lenses and keep the body for backup or . . . ."



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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Quote Originally Posted by windsprite View Post
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    So who else out there is trying to resist the siren song of the E-510.....

    I am there too. I really don't want to buy a new body now especially since I just joined the DSLR group and I am fairly certain that I will want to invest in the E-3.......I keep telling myself that patience is a virtue.
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    I'm in your club Julie.

    Right now, I'm trying to pull green paper rabbits out of my banker's hat to afford both an E-P and a 90-250 and an EC-20 later this year.

    However, I am considering giving my wife an E-510 as an "early birthday gift" though...

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    You are not alone! and I am certainly in the same Camp as you.

    The E510 is (nearly) available and is a couple of generations better than my E300, but it is lacking a Vertical Grip. Sure, my E300 is not really getting in the way of me taking photos but I tend to push it to the limits sometimes.

    Now, Do I go out and get a pair of E510's or wait 6mths to a year and get 1 (or 2) E-P ? I think I need to get a few decent events and print sales under my belt then I can better justify splashing out!
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Julie, I'm with you there ... BTW, the E-510 is already out on the market in Europe (since 1st of june, as a matter of fact, which was a big surprise)



    I really, really don't need a new body already - I only bought my E-330 a year ago and I really cannot afford it either, right now ... but it is very tempting, and more so will be the E-3 this year's autumn ...
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Hi Julie,

    I'm waiting with you. My reasons are a little different because I do need some of the "pro" features and I can't go back to shooting without a good vertical grip.

    Why not send the money that you would spend on the E-510 to Feed The Children or a similar organization with a good track record.
    Best regards, FL

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    If you hope to hold out for the E-x replacement, DON'T touch the E510. DO NOT pick it up. FORGET all the updated technology it brings to the 4/3rds system....

    I have enough to buy a E510 body at months end... but the mirage of buying the E-x replacement is quickly weekening now that i have held & used the E510.

    The E510 AF speed & reliability in low-light to LOCK-ON quick is simply ADDICTIVE


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    Quote Originally Posted by iROK View Post
    The E510 AF speed & reliability in low-light to LOCK-ON quick is simply ADDICTIVE
    Please Don't say that !! That is all I need to hear!

    Anyway, I have at least 1 good reason to steer clear of any new E camera at the moment and that is I will have to pick a new RAW processor. It is a real pity that RSP is not an option. I need to pick a RAW processor that has a good workflow and will survive the test of time.
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    I'm weak...I was going to wait until either the E-3 or Panasonic derivation but jumped on the E-510 when it came out.

    If the E-3 is worth the money then it will find a place in my bag as well. the E-510 is doing great for the money.

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Same here. Was going to wait for the E-1, but the summers here are short, and the local dealer has very good prices on the 510.
    I'm going to get the 510, and buy my self E-X for Christmas present and sell the 510. I think the $200 in deprecation will be well spent. And if the E-1 is going to be out in September, the bugs should all have surfaced in December.

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Hi Julie,

    Like you, I am resisting the E-510 because I want the E-?. It is slightly easier for me since I am in agreement with First Light in that I feel the need for the battery grip. Another helpful deterrent is that I was one of the lucky ones that managed to get one of the firesale E-330s from Adorama. It really is nice to be able to dedicate one camera to telephoto and one to macro use.

    Shrink Pictures,

    I am upset with Adobe for eliminating RSP. I have not found anything with such a wonderful work flow as RSP. I may not always like the RSP results especially when dealing with yellows from the E-300 files but am addicted to the workflow. There is always the option of converting files from unsupported cameras to DNG and then running them through RSP. I know in the past that has worked for others.

    Hopefully we will soon know the actual specs of the E-?.
    Comments and critiques welcome.
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    The E-3 would have to be very keenly priced before I'd consider buying one (less than 1,000). I doubt the IQ of the E-3 will be significantly better than the E-510 and the money i'll save will get me the EC-20, which will be of far more use to me than a load of extra focus points I'll never use
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    Interesting that you're considering the EC-20. I was really excited about that item until I began to consider what lenses I'd use it with. Since it slows the lens down by two f stops it probably wouldn't do to well on my Sigma 50-500mm or Olympus 50-200mm. I came to the conclusion that it's only really effective use will be on the Olympus 150mm, 90-250mm or 300mm. Of those three lenses I only own the 150mm and I suspect that the EC-20 just wouldn't get enough use on just that lens to justify what will probably be a selling price of more than $300US so I've just about given up hope on that item.
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Quote Originally Posted by E B View Post
    I came to the conclusion that it's only really effective use will be on the Olympus 150mm, 90-250mm or 300mm. Of those three lenses I only own the 150mm and I suspect that the EC-20 just wouldn't get enough use on just that lens to justify what will probably be a selling price of more than $300US so I've just about given up hope on that item.
    Bob:

    I agree, it will only work on the top pro lens; but a 600mm/f4 (35 eq) for $400 or $500 is a bargain - if you already have the 150mm

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Yeah, but for me it isn't 600mm/f4. Since I'm only interested in image magnification and don't care about the angle of view, which is what a 35mm equivalency is talking about, a 300mm lens has the same effect for me (image magnification) irrespective of whether it's mounted on a 4/3 camera or a 35mm camera. Also, I already have the Sigma 50-500mm zoom lens.
    Good shooting,
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    Quote Originally Posted by E B View Post
    Interesting that you're considering the EC-20. I was really excited about that item until I began to consider what lenses I'd use it with. Since it slows the lens down by two f stops it probably wouldn't do to well on my Sigma 50-500mm or Olympus 50-200mm. I came to the conclusion that it's only really effective use will be on the Olympus 150mm, 90-250mm or 300mm.
    I already have the ZD 300/f2.8. I know it will work well on that. I'll also try it on the 50-200 to see how it performs. I suspect it might cause a bit of softening on that lens thought.
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    Well, the 300mm lens should be the optimal use of the 2x TC. I would expect the image quality to be pretty good. The problem I expect with the 50-200mm zoom will be the darkening of the lens at maximum focal length leading to poor AF except under optimal lighting conditions.
    Good shooting,
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    I have no problem resisting the E-510. I was shooting with the C-8080 for a year before I got the E-500 and a year after that I purchased the E-1. Both time they had been out for quite awhile and the price came down considerably. I'm in no hurry to purchase either the 510 or the e-?. I'm still enjoying the camera's I have and still learning to be a better photographer with the equipment I own, not the new improved technically advanced wonders that I don't.
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Since I have yet to master all the bells and whistles on the E-500 (especially the exposure issue)s, no problem resisting for me. I'd rather shell out for a 50-200mm f/2.8 first.

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Hi,

    I'm not a professional and I doubt I ever will be. I bought the E-500 18 months ago and it has served me very well. When the E-510 was announced I decided to buy one because of the new features, especially IS. I'm still learning how to use the new features of the E-510 but I'm very pleased with it so far. I'll probably keep the E-500 body so I'll be able to have 2 body/lens combinations ready to go when I'm out shooting.

    I'm eager to see what the 70-300mm lens will sell for and when it will be available. I would like the added reach it would provide.

    So, since I have the E-510 I guess I don't qualify for the Resisters Support Group!
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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    It's pretty simple for me. I don't need it. Actually, I don't need the E-1 replacement either.
    Over the past couple of years, I've built a system better than I'd ever thought that I'd own. I have 2 E-1s, Grips on both and lenses that suit my needs very well. If I find a need for Live View, I still have 2 E-10s with articulated screens and both function perfectly.
    That said, I don't make my living with my images so am not subject to arbitrary demands made by photo editors who have, IMO, little understanding of photography in general.
    Want is another issue and I have only one. That would be the 35-100 f/2.0 but that's a different topic.
    Were I to purchase a 5th camera, which is unlikely, it would probably be the E-410 with the kit lenses for a small, compact system. As, due to an injury from long ago, I have little strength in my left hand, a grip on a heavier camera is essential. I've held the E-410 with the 14-42 and it's quite comfortable.

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    I shall wait patiently for the next Pro camera for a few reasons.
    I don't want a 510 or a 410.

    The Digilux 3 I have is satisfying all my personal needs for now and the E-1 and E-330 do me for work.

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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    Well, I'm glad to see I'm not alone. :-) It's interesting hearing the many reasons people feel they do or don't need an updated body soon, and the many ways they are thinking of financing their purchases.

    iROK, your post was helpful ... and somehow not helpful at the same time.

    I am going to wait at least a few more weeks for some info on the E-3, but I'm steadily weakening. I think I may be able to sell my E-500 to a relative, and if I do get the 510, hopefully I'll be able to sell that without too much of a loss by the time the E-3 comes out.

    I really can't justify (to myself) owning two DSLR bodies. I do, however, enjoy having the "latest, greatest" camera, or specifically, the latest, greatest AF. Many people may cluck their tongues, but I'll say it again: photography is a fun hobby for me, not a character-building exercise or a bitter medicine that I must swallow for my own good.

    I work hard on my technique, and I will continue to do so, but you can only improve so fast. A new camera will not make me a better photographer, but it will help me take better pictures now, rather than 10 years from now, and to me that is fun!

    For landscapes, portraits, and macros, I was frankly perfectly happy with my Oly compact ultrazoom and would not have considered an upgrade for several years.

    But for action photos, the fact is: faster AF does help you get more keepers, and cleaner high ISO does help you shoot in darker conditions with less loss of detail. More MP allow you to crop a bit closer. More AF points allow you to compose better in-camera. Fun, fun, fun!

    IS allows you to use longer lenses without a monopod, permitting more freedom of movement. Not to mention you can take your camera kit for a leisurely walk and get sharper images without slogging around a tripod. More fun!

    So yes, many of us will perhaps foolishly succumb (or have already) to marketing and peer pressure, but we will enjoy ourselves and hopefully won't feel guilty about it any more than most men feel guilty for getting a newer, prettier vehicle before they have become better drivers.

    Julie


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    Default Re: E-510 Resisters Support Group; Waiting for the E-3

    There is no way to make a long story short. So here it is.

    I make my living in photography and am one of the defectors because of the delay in bringing the E-1 replacement to market. I sold all of my Olympus stuff more than a year ago and purchased Canon equipment. I even sold the 35-100 and 150mm (loved that lens). The only thing I have right now in Olympus is an E-1 body & grip and 14-54. Had a little flirtation with an E-330 and another 50-200 this spring but sold them.

    I have been dreaming of an Olympus body with in-body stabilization, more focus points and faster focus, at least 5 frames per second and images that could rival my Mark II N at 1600 noise wise. After looking at the E-410 review and sample images and knowing time is growing close for the E-1 replacement the time to get what I have been waiting for is near.

    I am taking the entire month of July off to do a personal photography project and to spend two weeks at the beach. I am going to buy an E-510 two lens kit and a Sigma 30 1.4 and use it for the entire month of shooting. I'm sorry I can't resist. I don't own a small lightweight digital body (except for the E-1). Canon Mark IIs and 5Ds with L lenses aren't lightweight.

    If all goes well with that and the specs of the E-1 replacement are what I hope, the plan would be to buy the new SWD 12-60mm and 50-200 lenses and the E-P when they are available. There are a lot of shoots I could do with just the two lenses and two bodies. The 150mm along with the 1.4x and 2x converters and the 7-14 could be added later and that would cover a lot of different needs.

    Buying the 14-35 F2, 35-100 F2 and the 90-250 would all depend on how good the E-1 replacement is. It will also depend on how quiet the body is. If it is as quiet as the E-1, I'll want the 90-250 for stage performances.

    I downloaded some of the photos from the E-410 review and they looked really good. I upscaled an ISO 100 image to 24 inches wide and printed a section and it looked great. I'm really amazed by the ISO 1600 shots. I will be very curious to look at 510 and Mark II ISO 1600 images side by side.

    Changing systems is terrible, and I like to do it slowly. I used Nikon for 17 years before buying my first E-1 in 2004. When I switched to Canon in 2006, I did it over the course of six months. When you are making your living with the equipment you have to make sure it will do everything you need it to and there has to be some major advantage that overrides cost. Lighter weight equipment with similar image quality is a pretty good reason to consider it when you are about to hit 50. I shot a wedding on Saturday for 8 1/2 hours and when I got home at 12:30 a.m. I was exhausted, my shoulders, neck and arms were sore, and I had two cameras that did not function properly. So less expensive bodies would be another big plus.

    If you read all of this, all I can say is thank you.

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    Steve:

    I did, and thank you. Using Olympus is like a neurosis - you know its "silly" but you can't stop yourself.

    Peter

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