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    I'd really, really, really like a 1.0/1.2 prime in the 40-60mm range... don't care too much about the edges but I would like really nice bokeh and fairly close focus, say 1ft.

    Otherwise, I'm pretty happy... I just need the $$ to get the lenses that are currently available.

    I think if Sigma brought out their 120-300 F2.8 a bunch of people wanting a longer somewhat affordable lens would be pretty happy... I guess where it would fall down for some is in size.

    My lens list has the following on it but I don't really "need" any of them on a regular basis 7-14, 150, 90-250, 50-200 SWD, 8, 25 1.4... but for now I get all just fine with the 12-60, 35-100 and 300 with a couple of 1.4x TC's. I've just started playing with a 50 1.2 manual focus lens and it has some potential... but I haven't really used it much yet.

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    Most of the lenses that could rationally be added have been mentioned at this point. A couple of comments based on the patterns Olympus have used so far:

    There is a mid range zoom lens missing on the telephoto end. I would expect a 180-450 or similar, rather than 100-300. Olympus don't overlap their ranges much in their primary system zooms (12-60, 50-200 in this case). This would likely be SWD and certainly weather sealed. I expect it would be sized to cost no more than 50% more than the 50-200SWD, keeping it within the high grade cost bracket.

    Apart from the foreshadowed 8-16 standard grade, this is the only missing 'system' zoom. Potentially you could see some specific purpose zooms added, but these are less likely. Potentials include high zoom ratio (say a high grade 7-10x zoom) or a low zoom ratio (like the 11-22). I don't expect more than one system of lenses per grade; I think the proposed 30-120 unlikely - a 20-140 more so.

    In primes; others have largely covered this. Primes are likely to continue to be ~ 1 stop faster than the corresponding grade zoom, at least in the high and SH grades. I expect that given Olympus have filled out a three ranges of zooms (with a set of primes accenting this) that the remaining primes will fill out in a logical progression in each grade. Reasonable suggestions for these ranges ahve already been made. Only exception is I expect the above mentioned 180-450 capable of 300/4 rather than a 300/4 prime.

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    I own the 100mm OM f2 and would like to see a 4/3rds version of this glass.
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    Default Re: Four Thirds Lens Lineup Gaps

    Quote Originally Posted by Forge View Post
    Potentials include high zoom ratio (say a high grade 7-10x zoom)
    Now that you mention it, if Olympus could pull off a very compact ultrazoom with a more useful range than the 18-180, I'd be very interested. A 12-100 (aka "24-200") no larger than the current 18-180 would definitely make my to-buy list, if it was optically decent. Given the high quality of recent ultrazooms (Nikon 18-200, Sigma 18-200, Tamron 28-300), I don't think it's an impossible task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atlasman View Post
    I own the 100mm OM f2 and would like to see a 4/3rds version of this glass.
    I'm with you.

    I'd also like a 150/2.8. We all know that the long end is where 4/3 can make ground, and it would be significantly smaller than a 300/2.8, not to say lighter.

    It would not need to be as expensive as the 150/2, neither as big or heavy.

    Give us a 150/2.8 that is just as good optically as the 150/2 for a good price.

    That would be a very nice option.
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    Default Re: Four Thirds Lens Lineup Gaps

    You can already get the Sigma 150/2.8. An excellent lens for both macro and long-range photography. Its long AF travel means it isn't the fastest focusing lens in the world, but the limiter switch helps with that.
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    Default Re: Four Thirds Lens Lineup Gaps

    Quote Originally Posted by ckrueger View Post
    You can already get the Sigma 150/2.8. An excellent lens for both macro and long-range photography. Its long AF travel means it isn't the fastest focusing lens in the world, but the limiter switch helps with that.
    I want it to be more compact, I want it to be weather sealed and I want it to have SWD.

    It would make a reasonable option for sports - the 150/2 is to expensive for most, including me.
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    It is interesting as someone NEW here (hello all!) that there is a "bias" in these good ramblings towards the needs of the telephoto shooter.

    I would agree from what I have learned that the Zuiko range is a bit short on its 4/3 advantage - lighter more compact tele lenses than elsewhere really ought to be where the range should go - work to the strengths of the system for real-world applications.
    That is, what is the application? - and build for it. A lighter-weight 600mm-effective of decent speed would be awesome, and more possible here. No-one else really does that and Olympus could.

    But for mine, and returning to an SLR world from film days of the past, what I really miss is FAST sub-120mm (effective) primes in the standard and mid-range pro ranges.
    The 50mm f/2 is not all that fast and too long for certain interior work anyway.

    For the OM-2 (now sold many years ago) I had a 50mm f/1.4. For walk-about low light and street photography it was the business.
    If I want that kind of lens (and I do!) I am looking at a Sigma EX 24mm f/1.8 or 30mm f/1.4. Nothing ZD on offer. Perhaps Olympus sees that and puts such a product on the low-priority list?
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    I see only a few very small gaps overall in the lineup.

    The standard grade lineup is what I would call complete with coverage from 14-300mm (28-600). You get good quality lenses at a fair price.

    The Top Pro lineup will soon be complete when the 14-35 hits the street.

    What is missing is several opportunities in the mid-grade lineup. The way I see it, the mid grade needs a longer zoom - something like a 180-360 f3.5-4.5. This would cover the longer end and still be usable with both of the TC's

    We have the wonderful 11-22, but the 11 is not quite wide enough sometimes! a 9.5 F4 would be a great addition (lets not complain about the speed, with my 11-22 I rarely go faster than f4 at 11mm).

    Finally we need a non-macro portrait lens - and a 42mm F1.4 would fit the bill brilliantly.

    I would go out and buy a ultra-wide ~9mm prime, a 42mmF1.4 and probably put the longer lens in my bag as well.

    If I was earning I would not hesitate to go out and grab the appropriate top pro lenses (the 35-100 is a range I would love to have but the $4kAU is just way outside of my budget).

    When we face it, there really is only a few small holes -which is a credit to Olympus considering the short life of the 4/3 format so far. I think that we will see a few more lenses yet and we will end up with a complete lens system that is rivaled by none in terms of quality and coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MU51CL View Post
    For the OM-2 (now sold many years ago) I had a 50mm f/1.4. For walk-about low light and street photography it was the business.
    If I want that kind of lens (and I do!) I am looking at a Sigma EX 24mm f/1.8 or 30mm f/1.4. Nothing ZD on offer. Perhaps Olympus sees that and puts such a product on the low-priority list?
    What about the Leicasonic 25/1.4? ... Or did not you consider that because it's too expensive or not an Olympus branded lens?

    EDIT: Forgot that it was hard to purchase on its own without the Panny L1/L10 body.
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    when do you guys think the Sigma 70-200 f2.8 HSM for 4/3 is going to be released? i'm still waiting for it as i was able to use in in another system before and it's a great lens. also, it would pair well with my 12-60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e_dawg View Post
    What about the Leicasonic 25/1.4? ... Or did not you consider that because it's too expensive or not an Olympus branded lens?

    EDIT: Forgot that it was hard to purchase on its own without the Panny L1/L10 body.
    The Panasonic/Leica Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH is not sold with any body, it is always a standalone purchase. They're simply in short supply. B&H Photo gets them in regularly, in small quantities, and they sell out very quickly. I placed an order by phone with B&H Photo and waited for it to come in, it took about a week.

    This is a fantastic lens in every way. I'm currently using it fitted to both the E-1 and L1 bodies. Works like a charm, is a perfect normal lens for the format.

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    Yeah, e_dawg the "Leicasonic" lens is not on my list of possibilities for its unobtanium status.
    So it's not really been on my radar.
    I do see it listed on Adorama as a separate piece, although not in stock....

    From where I am with kit lenses now though, a Zuiko 14-54 and a Sigma 30/1.4 would be better value for the same money as the Leica.

    All of THAT said however I think that it looks to be a lens that you'd take a deep breath paying for but never regret having. A modern classic in the making?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser Soze View Post
    I personally would love a 40mm F 1.0 for $900.
    And I'd like a new Honda Civic for $7000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MU51CL View Post
    ...From where I am with kit lenses now though, a Zuiko 14-54 and a Sigma 30/1.4 would be better value for the same money as the Leica....
    I dunno. Since I bought the 25/1.4, I've used it more than the Leica 14-50/2.8-3.5.

    It is a superb lens, couldn't be happier with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomix View Post
    I want it to be more compact, I want it to be weather sealed and I want it to have SWD.
    The Sigma has HSM... same deal as SWD. It's not that big, either, at 5.4" long. But it's 2lbs and isn't sealed.

    If only some enterprising Russian would create an EF adapter for Four Thirds, these holes would largely be plugged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckrueger View Post
    The Sigma has HSM... same deal as SWD. It's not that big, either, at 5.4" long. But it's 2lbs and isn't sealed.

    If only some enterprising Russian would create an EF adapter for Four Thirds, these holes would largely be plugged.
    Yes, that would be nice enough. Anyway, it's nice being able to use different kit.
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    That's great to hear about, Godfrey.

    I'd been thinking I'm about "old-fashioned" with my fascination for a classic standard fast prime in a world that seems to be all about zooms these days.
    It's a different kind of versatility.

    The f/3.5 limitation of the kit lens is already driving me a bit nuts. You zoom in to 42mm and you have 5.6 max. You're better off moving your feet and having more options with the actual shot.

    I'm thinking the Leicasonic 25/f1.4 really ought to be what I save my pennies for, so glad I got reminded....
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    although i have no interest in pancakes, im happy to see a compact lens in the shape of 25/2.8. Building on that:

    12/2.4 (24 EFL)
    14/2.6 (28 EFL)
    18/2.8 (35 EFL)

    interestingly, this provides the basis for a operable compact 4/3rds body with CDAF no mirrorbox

    and what we have needed for a long time, an ultra fast portrait solution
    FL between 35 and 45, 1.4 aperture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    an ultra fast portrait solution
    FL between 35 and 45, 1.4 aperture
    PanaLeica is supposed to be releasing a 45mm f/2 that might be a good option. I'd reckon it's going to be in the $1,300 - $1,500 range if it were an f/1.4 it would almost be unobtainium. Not that price for me is always a concern. By the way has anyone heard of a possible release date for the 45 f/2?

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    "PanaLeica is supposed to be releasing a 45mm f/2 that might be a good option. I'd reckon it's going to be in the $1,300 - $1,500 range if it were an f/1.4 it would almost be unobtainium."

    I dont see the point of the PanaLeica 45 f/2 when I already have a
    ZD 50 f2 with great bokeh and weather sealing. The 50 macro is also less than a third of your predicted price of the Panaleica!
    I will stick with my 50 macro and live with its focus hunting at that price thanks!

    The lineup gap as I see it in the 40-60mm prime area is a very shallow DOF gap otherwise the 50 f2.0 is unbeatable save for the need for a focus limiter and a SWD motor to stop the irritating hunting, even my 35mm macro hunts less at less than half the price!

    On the other hand if there were a 60mm F1.4 or a 40mm f1.0 I would be interested for specialist artistic portrait photography and I am sure others would also.

    Also I agree with others who posted saying the Mid grade has a gap at the long end beond the 50-200. However I think the proposed zooms in the 180-450 range by a couple of posters would be too big and expensive.
    Once you go over 300mm the size of the front element to make lenses brighter than f5.6 becomes too large blowing out size weight and cost.

    Take the example of the Sigma 135-400
    If Olympus were to make a similar lens and make it F4.0 at the long end then the front element would need to be at least 100mm diameter
    the thing would be similar in bulk to the 90-250 and cost would be sky high also.

    If I could afford that pricetag I and wanted to carry that weight I would get a 90-250 and a 2.0X tc and be done with it.

    As I said earlier I believe this gap would be better filled with a resonably priced weather sealed 300 f4.0 prime and the existing teleconverters.

    Overall the 4/3 sytem is looking amazing
    good to hear the 25mm and 14-35 are now available. I will be picking up the 25 pancake if just to have a tiny lens and show Olympus there is demand for primes.

    The 100mm macro is one that I would like to see on the shelf soon.

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    another strategy could just use a demountable focal reducer designed for a specific lens. A 0.5x FL reducer would make the 50/2 1 full stop faster generating a 25/1.4
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    Default Re: Four Thirds Lens Lineup Gaps

    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    another strategy could just use a demountable focal reducer designed for a specific lens. A 0.5x FL reducer would make the 50/2 1 full stop faster generating a 25/1.4
    Actually two stops, just like the reverse of an EC-20. If it could be done you'd get a 25/1.0.

    I expect designing lenses from scratch would be the better route to f/1.0 though. And in time fourthirds should have a couple, even if they're rare and expensive, just to further hammer home what can be done with lenses designed for the 4/3" format. With the lineup as well fleshed out as it is now, Oly/Panaleica can start considering niche applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plant.nerd View Post
    I dont see the point of the PanaLeica 45 f/2 when I already have a
    ZD 50 f2 with great bokeh and weather sealing. The 50 macro is also less than a third of your predicted price of the Panaleica!
    I will stick with my 50 macro and live with its focus hunting at that price thanks!

    The 100mm macro is one that I would like to see on the shelf soon.
    I was unaware you own the 50 f/2; in that case I would skip the PanaLeica as well. From what I heard it's going to be a macro as well. I'm also waiting for the 100mm macro lens, but I'd be surprised if we see it in 2008.

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    Default Re: Four Thirds Lens Lineup Gaps

    Quote Originally Posted by acme
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    another strategy could just use a demountable focal reducer designed for a specific lens. A 0.5x FL reducer would make the 50/2 1 full stop faster generating a 25/1.4

    Actually two stops, just like the reverse of an EC-20. If it could be done you'd get a 25/1.0.
    I wonder how useful it would be with a 12 mm diameter image circle?
    Such a device could work with some of the Sigma lenses designed for 35-mm format though.

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