Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 38

Thread: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Which ~50 mm lens should I use for portraits?

    Well, having thought about that for a while, I finally desided to check it out with some side-by side comparisons.

    I compared my lenses at f/1.8-f/16:
    • Zuiko Digital ED 50/2.0 Macro
    • Zuiko Digital ED 50-200/2.8-3.5 SWD
    • Zuiko Digital ED 50-200/2.8-3.5 "Classic"
    • Zuiko Digital ED 12-60/2.8-4 SWD
    • Zuiko Digital 14-54/2.8-3.5
    • Zuiko Digital ED 40-150/4.0-5.6
    • Zuiko Digital ED 14-42/3.5-5.6
    • OM-Zuiko 50/1.8 "made in japan"
    • OM-Zuiko 50/1.8 "Silver Nose"
    • OM-Zuiko 35/2.8 + Zuiko Digital EC-14
    • Helios-44M-4 58/2.0

    Overall Winner in Image Quality: ZD ED 50/2.0 Macro

    [EDIT]
    Some of my personal conclusions are:
    1. Zuiko Digital ED 50/2.0 Macro is the sharpest and gives thenicest rendering of out-of-focus features (bokeh) across the aperture range. The overall winner in image quality .
    2. Zuiko Digital ED 50-200/2.8-3.5 - SWD and "Classic" are both equivalent in image qualities and are sharp with nice bokeh across the apertures.
    3. There is no appreciable difference between the sharpness of the ZD ED 12-60/2.8-4 and the ZD 14-54/2.8-3.5. Both lenses give OK bokeh at some combinations of aperture and distance.
    4. The ZD ED 40-150 is a very nice lens considering its small size, price, and limited aperture range.
    5. The ZD ED 12-42 with its shorter focal length can't keep up with any of the other Zuiko Digital lenses tested here. It has a lower sharpness as well as the less pleasing bokeh.
    6. The OMZ 50/1.8 "made in japan" is not as sharp as the ZD 50/2.0 Macro wide open but it is sharper than its older sibling "Silver Nose". At other apertures, both lenses are approximately as sharp as the ZD 50-200 but never touches the ZD 50/2.0 in that respect. The bokeh of these lenses is OK except for the hexagonal highlight rendering.
    7. The Helios 58 is not sharp enough wide open but seems to have a potential for a very nice bokeh stopped down. I will have to investigate that more when I have got a functional adapter.
    8. Making a shortcut by combining the OMZ 35/2.8 prime with the ZD EC-14 teleconverter is not a good idea.

    [/EDIT]

    This is my personal opinion and some of you may come to different conclusions. In addition there are heaps of other things to discover among the test images.

    Please feel welcome to peep the pixels or just get the general impression of each lens at each aperture at: http://people.ifm.liu.se/jebir/box/b...0mm_shoot_out/

    Cheers, Jens
    Last edited by jebir; 12-16-2009 at 12:41 AM.
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    6 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Quote Originally Posted by jebir View Post

    Please feel welcome to peep the pixels or just get the general impression of each lens at each aperture at: http://www.jensbirch.eu/jensbirch/50mm/

    Cheers, Jens
    No bluejay. Only a big space between blocks of text. But what that said was good to know. Interestingly, the 12-60 and 14-54 were rated equal in IQ. (If I understood you correctly)

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    5,007
    Thanks
    386
    Thanked 62 Times in 56 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Thumbs up Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Jens'
    That test must have been time consuming, not to mention posting the results!
    Thank you for the effort, and I agree fully with your conclusion.
    I really like the 50mm ED also, and I'm glad I purchased it.
    David

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    BC, Canada
    Posts
    2,379
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Very well executed test with an attractive presentation. No real surprises, but sometimes it's good to have conventional wisdom confirmed.

    Some day it'd be interesting to see a ZD 50/2 versus OMZ 50/2, OMZ 35-75/3.6 (good for its day), and OMZ 35-80/2.8ED (great for its day) shootout. I don't expect the zooms could keep up, but the old macro might pull close to the new one.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    7,776
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Very nice information! Thank you. I am surprised that the curved aperture blades on the 50-200 SWD didn't give a little better bokeh than the earlier 50-200mm.
    Good shooting,
    English Bob

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    KY
    Posts
    602
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    66 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    EB,

    The photo of the subject is not showing on teh link. I'd like to see the subject photo.

    BTW, I've taken a lot of portraits for friends and family during the Holiday laste year and I mainly used the 12-60mm. I didn't have the 50mm f2.0 at the time but my next shoot will include using the 50mm.

    One thing I noticed in some of my portraits was that when shopoting multiple subjects sometimes the front person would be OOF and the back people in focus. Sometimes vice versus. This even at f8-f10.

    I expect I probably need to step back a little farthur when shooting to avoid any bokeh issues when shooting multiple subjects.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    Greg MacGeorge
    E-500,14-42, 40-150mm, Canon 5DMKII, Canon 7D, Canon 100-400L, 24-70L, 24-105L, 70-200L. 580Ex Flashes
    Nikon D7000, 18-55, 55-200 kit lenses.

    www.gekphotography.com

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    6 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Quote Originally Posted by davidh202 View Post
    Jens'
    That test must have been time consuming, not to mention posting the results!
    Thank you for the effort, and I agree fully with your conclusion.
    David
    Yes, thank you, Jens. It was a valuable piece of information. I have saved it to a word processor for future reference as to making decisions.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    McKinney, Texas
    Posts
    1,849
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Jens: Great job! I must say I'm not at all surprised the 50 macro "won"

    Peter

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    271
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Thanks for the effort you must have gone to, and sharing of the results.

    Having just purchased 14-54 and 50-200 "Classic" these results are very reassuring

    I guess the fact that the High Grade prime lens is the winner at its FL is no great surprise....but I'm looking forward to playing with my new glass whilst knowing that if I want "more" at 50mm I know how to get it.
    Yet another photophool called Chris...
    E-510 ~ 14-42, 14-54, 40-150, 50-200 "Classic", FL-36
    UV by B+W MRC, CPL by Hoya Pro1D, Bogen 190XProB, RRS BH-40 Pro II, all in a Lowepro Fastpack 200.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    7,776
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    If you're talking about the link jebir posted, it seems to work fine for me.

    Sounds like a routine depth of field issue. If you're using a 50mm focal length and the subject is 10 feet away, at f8 you have a depth of field of only 2.94 feet so a group of people not all equal distance from the camera probably would have someone out of focus. That might be an occasion to stop down to f16 or even f22. Playing with the DOF calculator can give you a pretty good idea what to expect. Also, the DOF preview feature on your camera will be of use in determining what is outside the DOF after you train your eye to use it. It is a little bit of a knack and I can only use it successfully myself in very good lighting.
    Good shooting,
    English Bob

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Abilene,TX
    Posts
    3,623
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    15 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Jens,

    Thanks for taking so much time to do this for us. It's a very well done test and really helps some of us in making decisions on which lens to purchase. I'm glad to see the 14-54 doing as well as it did with the 12-60. I bought the 14-54 to save money but it's good to see I didn't give up anything in the IQ dept.
    DonR -
    Everything is now sold.
    E-30-ME-1/9-18/14-54mkI/40-150mkII/50-200 SWD/70-300/Sigma 50-500/50 f2/EC-14/EX-25/Leica V-LUX 1/TCON 17/Raynox 6600 Pro/FL 50/ Panny DMC-ZS5
    Images at http://donr.zenfolio.com/

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Denver Colorado
    Posts
    616
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Thats one heck of a test Jens, thank you for sharing with us.
    I have most of the lenses you mentioned and agree that the DZ 50mm is at the top of the heap when it comes to sharpness.
    I do think the 50-200s and 12-60 are more than up to the task and I've had excellent results out of my OM 1.8 too. That said it is way too easy to slap the 50mm on and go.

    Jim
    E 5, E 3, E 330, C-8080, 8mm FE, 7-14, 11-22, 12-60,PL 25MM F 1.4, 35MM, 50MM F 2, 50-200, 70-300, EX 25, EC 1.4 & 2.0, FL 40, FL 5Or, FL 20, SRF-11, Foam Ring Flash.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Koninkrijk der Nederlanden
    Posts
    3,916
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Excellent job Jens. Thank you! You just saved me the price difference between the 50-200mkI and 50-200SWD.
    Regards,
    Henk
    ---------------------------------------
    photography is my passion
    you are invited to visit my gallery at http://mordisco.smugmug.com

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    271
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr1 View Post
    I bought the 14-54 to save money but it's good to see I didn't give up anything in the IQ dept.
    So did I and perhaps I'm biased because of that but I'm more than happy with the choice.
    Interesting too that the 50-200 (either version) looks the better lens (on my screen) at this portrait length in direct comparison. I thought it might....
    Yet another photophool called Chris...
    E-510 ~ 14-42, 14-54, 40-150, 50-200 "Classic", FL-36
    UV by B+W MRC, CPL by Hoya Pro1D, Bogen 190XProB, RRS BH-40 Pro II, all in a Lowepro Fastpack 200.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Hi Leonard,

    I have checked the site and the image is there - also when I go to another computer. This is on my own server connected to an ordinary bradband connection so if you happened to retrieve the test page at the same time as a bunch of others, it may be a bit slow. So just have some patience and it will show.

    Cheers, Jens
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Thanks acme,

    Quote Originally Posted by acme View Post
    No real surprises, but sometimes it's good to have conventional wisdom confirmed.
    ... and to have it documented for reference.

    I find that there are too many undocumented opponions about new and old lenses that are spread as if they were facts. I often got the feeling that they are more wishes.

    Therefore, I spent quite some effort to do the test and to put all the cards on the table so that people can discuss based on what they see - not what they read.

    Cheers, Jens.
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    You are welcome E B.

    I'm also surprised that there was less difference between the two 50-200. Anyhow, any of the SWD or "Classic" are very fine lenses and my rationale for getting the SWD was not the image quality but the faster focusing.

    Cheers, Jens.
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Hi greg,

    be patient, the shoot-out is on my own server which is standing under my stairs connected to an ordinary broadband connection. So if many are accessing the site at the same time, it may load images a bit slow. The images are minimally compressed to not hamper the appearance of the test images.

    Regarding your focus problem, I think it is DOF asE B already mentioned. I would ask the subject individuals to gather more and also make sure to use only the center AF-point to have control of where the camera chose to focus.

    Cheers, Jens
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Hokkaido, Japan
    Posts
    2,989
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Thanks very much for this, Jens! My subjective impression of the lenses I have from that group was pretty much the same, but I've always been too lazy to test it out.

    About the 50-200's bokeh, poor translation ("improved color blur") raised a lot of expectations for the new one. When a few of us examined Olympus' original Japanese, it turned out that they were most likely talking about CA/fringing rather than bokeh.


  20. #20
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    6 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Well, it's been some five minutes and no jays. The picture of the lenses popped up instantly. I have broadband and a fast (2.16GHz) processor--and 2 gigs of ram.
    Last edited by lendur2; 06-17-2008 at 07:48 AM.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Hi Julie,

    that's what the white piece of cardboard with the note on is for in the scene. However, since I had to manually focus on Jay's eye (in order to get reproducible results), the cardboard and the note became slightly out of focus. Also, the sunlight made it over exposed compared to the rest of the scene. So, to avoid confused comments by viewers not familiar with the various issues associated with the lighting/scene composition I chose not to compare that part as separate crops. (I actually haven't had time to scrutinize the images much myself yet - too busy putting together this shoot-out webpage.) Maybe I will include them later if I feel that they will say something useful.

    Cheers, Jens.
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Hi Leonard,

    that's strange. Can you see the scenes shown in any of the links in the matrix at the bottom of the page?

    Cheers, Jens.
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    6,393
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    OK, found it! The webpage editor had for some reason changed the link to point at the local directory on the harddisk of my PC... Should be fixed now.

    Thanks for being persistent in pointing it out, Jens
    Motto: Wildlife won't come to me unless I go to it.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    My Wildlife Photos: jensbirch.smugmug.com

    E-5, E-3, E-510, IR-E-1 ,E-P2
    ZD: 7-14, 14-54, 50, 50-200 SWD, 90-250/2.8, 300/2.8, EC-14, EC-20
    Peleng 8mm fisheye, shift Tamron SP 17/3.5, Tokina AT-X 300/2.8
    FL-50R, FL-40, FL-20, HLD-2, HLD-4, cleaved ZD EX-25 w. electric bypass, 250D, 500D, KatzEye Plus OptiBrite
    Feisol CT-3472LV and CM-1471

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    6 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Was using Safari. Camino & Firefox close up the space. Opera leaves an indentation, and even after some 5 minutes, nothing more. Wondered about a popup blocker, but can't find anything in Opera to quit.
    Last edited by lendur2; 06-17-2008 at 07:48 AM.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Bellingham, WA, USA
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    6 (100%)

    Default Re: 50 mm 4/3:s Shoot-Out (test).

    Can't tell you what's different, but Safari suddenly decided to fill in the picture. Suddenly.
    Last edited by lendur2; 06-17-2008 at 07:48 AM.

Similar Threads

  1. example why shoot in RAW..
    By odklizec in forum Site Archive
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-09-2007, 05:54 AM
  2. Can you shoot IR with your 500?
    By Steve Adams in forum Site Archive
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 04-12-2007, 02:58 AM
  3. Nothing else to shoot
    By Luke in forum Photos
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-04-2007, 01:09 PM
  4. What type of scene to shoot to test lenses?
    By RFMan in forum Site Archive
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-30-2006, 09:40 AM
  5. Why shoot .jpg?
    By Bill_Turner in forum Site Archive
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 05-12-2006, 10:54 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •