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    Default Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Here is the link to my review of this great lens. Please comment. I'd like to know what I could do better for future reviews. I'll answer any questions about the lens as well. Thanks for looking.

    http://www.markptak.com/tests/tokina400mm/index.htm
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    This review has been updated with a couple more samples, hopefully more interesting than typical test images. Have a look!

    Still love the lens!
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Very cool review, thanks! I'm looking for one of these right now actually. I have one for my Canon 40D but I'm also looking for one for my e520. My Canon mount version is extremely sharp!

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Very nice review. One thing I do not agree with, however. In the area where you test the lens with the EC-14 converter (Long Range Test 2), you say in your conclusion, "There does not seem to be much difference in quality when stopping down." To my eyes at least, the F5.6(F8) results look markedly better than the other 2 more-stopped-down results. I suppose some of the difference may be because the lighting appeared to change some, but the F5.6 results do look sharper to me even taking lighting into account.

    Also, could you mention in the review (or just tell us here) how you got the lens (e.g. bought it on EBay), approximately how much such lenses cost, and maybe how available they are (very rare, come up occasionally, etc) in your experience.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by eddiejclayton View Post
    Very cool review, thanks! I'm looking for one of these right now actually. I have one for my Canon 40D but I'm also looking for one for my e520. My Canon mount version is extremely sharp!
    Thanks! Good luck finding one. Keep in mind this is the SD version. I have no experience with the RMC or other versions. Canon/Nikon/Pentax users should be able to find this in an AF mount too (listed as an AT-X) lens.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAH View Post
    To my eyes at least, the F5.6(F8) results look markedly better than the other 2 more-stopped-down results. I suppose some of the difference may be because the lighting appeared to change some, but the F5.6 results do look sharper to me even taking lighting into account.
    I do see your point. But now I'm guessing that my humble tripod could not handle such long focal lenght at the slow speeds of 1/30th and 1/15th with IS off, as it was. I'm thinking it's camera shake. Perhaps some day I'll retest at a higher ISO or brighter day to see if I can get a faster exposure at F8, F11, F16 etc. Thanks for bringing this up

    Quote Originally Posted by RAH View Post
    Also, could you mention in the review (or just tell us here) how you got the lens (e.g. bought it on EBay), approximately how much such lenses cost, and maybe how available they are (very rare, come up occasionally, etc) in your experience.
    I probably see twice as many RMC versions for every SD version that I see listed on ebay (which is where I bought it). About half of the SD versions I see are AF models for Nikon and Canon (which attract a pretty penny). I was lucky and picked this up from a clueless reseller with a B.I.N. of around $130. I'd be prepared to spend over $200 on one of these. I can't imagine what this would have cost when new, but I'd say it's probably the most valuble of my legacy lenses. I wouldn't be surprised is someone lists one of these for sale around $250. Even at that price, if you shoot long often, and don't mind manual focus, I'd say it's worth it. What are your other options for ~400mm? There's an Olympus 400mm F6.3 ($350+?), Vivitar 400mm F5.6 ($100+?, lower quality?), Generic 400mm F6.3/F8 T-mounts ($xx?) Tamron 400mm F4 ($500-750?) Olympus 350mm F2.8 ($2500+?).

    Thank you both for the questions. I've been away from this forum for too long!
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Thanks for the info, Mark. I'll keep my eyes open on Ebay, and I would definitely pay $200+ for such a lens.

    Concerning the camera shake on the tripod, you're probably right. It is devilishly difficult, in my experience, to take fool-proof test shots with long lenses, even from a seemingly steady tripod.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by RAH View Post
    Thanks for the info, Mark. I'll keep my eyes open on Ebay, and I would definitely pay $200+ for such a lens.
    Here ya go! > http://cgi.ebay.com/TOKINA-400MM-5-6...ht_579wt_11677

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by eddiejclayton View Post
    Looks good. Mind you, Minolta adapters cost a bit more than most other adapters, if you don't already have one.

    Also, an OM mount model might be worth more in the end if you plan to sell it, as OM mount's can be used on FT, mFT, canon EF, EFS, and maybe nikon in adition to Oly OM. I think FT, and mFT are the only bodies than can mount an MD mount in addition to Minolta MF bodies.

    If you find one in M42, you can also mount it on a countless bodies (except OM, FD, and MD mount film SLRs as far as I know.

    I try to aim for OM or M42 MF lenses for the sake of compatibility and future value.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by eddiejclayton View Post

    So, did someone here get it? I got outbid, & I already had the Minolta adapter
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Flinchbaugh View Post
    So, did someone here get it? I got outbid, & I already had the Minolta adapter
    I got outbid as well, by $2.50 Oh well, there will be others!

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Here's another good looking one on ebay, in Nikon mount. I have no association with seller, just pointing out.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270502040265
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Thanks for the review (and all the comments). Just got thd 400/5.6 SD (for £79 from a local dealer - not bad!). A murky December day isn't best for testing it, but impressed so far!

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by althusian View Post
    Thanks for the review (and all the comments). Just got thd 400/5.6 SD (for £79 from a local dealer - not bad!). A murky December day isn't best for testing it, but impressed so far!
    Awesome. Be sure to let us know your findings.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    I'd agree with your test. Its very comfortable to use (the internal focusing means you don't have bits of the casing revolving or moving in and out which can be a distraction). It just fits the hand somehow. I found it hard to avoid camera shake but in good light its ok. And held steady (or on a tripod) its very sharp, very little CA apart from at 5.6. Your test was very helpful and accurate.

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Thank you for your test, Mark! Since the Oly 300/4 doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon, I'm interested in trying one of these. I found one on a Swedish auction site, but it looks different (but with the same name):
    http://www.tradera.com/Objektiv-400-...tion_105004381
    Do you think it is the same optically? And possible to use on FT?

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by Otage View Post
    Thank you for your test, Mark! Since the Oly 300/4 doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon, I'm interested in trying one of these. I found one on a Swedish auction site, but it looks different (but with the same name):
    http://www.tradera.com/Objektiv-400-...tion_105004381
    Do you think it is the same optically? And possible to use on FT?

    Thanks!
    It should be the same, or better, optically. That is, if it's a good copy. That model looks to be the newer AF version for Nikon. You'll need a Nikon to FT adapter. It will likely cost you more than an MF version, and I don't know what the focusing will feel like, it might feel looser.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Hello Mark,
    Just wondering what your current thoughts are on this lens ?
    Cheers,
    Alec

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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dpan View Post
    Hello Mark,
    Just wondering what your current thoughts are on this lens ?
    Cheers,
    Alec
    I haven't used it in a while (or shot anything in months). Unfortunately, it was recently stolen from my home along with a lot of other stuff, so I cannot provide any further thoughts on this lens. All my photo gear is gone.
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    Default Re: Tokina SL 400mm F5.6 SD

    Really sorry to hear that, Mark.

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