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    Default Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    With the release of the E-30, is it possible for a upgrade to Olympus' flagship model (E-3)?

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Sure it is possible, but real rumors haven't even started yet. It is probably not going to happen this year would be my bet.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    I have no idea but I hope not. I am happy with my E3 and a new version would no doubt tempt me to spend money and incur the wrath of her who must be obeyed.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalrog View Post
    Sure it is possible, but real rumors haven't even started yet. It is probably not going to happen this year would be my bet.

    i'll take that bet for $100 - wouldn't want to hurt you too much

    let me know if you were really serious
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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by photo_owl View Post
    i'll take that bet for $100 - wouldn't want to hurt you too much

    let me know if you were really serious
    That's not really fair, when Watanabe has already said there will be one, that it will be released later this year and that professional users will be pleasantly surprised by it.

    Especially when there are prototypes knocking about...

    But then I'm happy to take his money too, if he's throwing it about.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by ncartwright View Post
    I have no idea but I hope not. I am happy with my E3 and a new version would no doubt tempt me to spend money and incur the wrath of her who must be obeyed.

    Neil
    I am with you Neil. I don't have a need for a better camera than the E-3, but I will probably buy one when it is released.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    And let's hope it doesn't vary widely in performance from batch-to-batch and camera-to-camera.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    I can't see much of a need for an E-3 replacement, the market hasn't really changed much since its release with Nikon and Canon only releasing minor upgrades and nothing from Sony. I guess the Pentax K-7 is the most significant of the releases since the E-3, Olympus resisted minor changes with the E-1 such as putting in a new sensor but perhaps they've decided that wasn't the best approach.

    On the other hand I think they've a lot of money they can make in micro 4/3's and time is important, although Samsung's announcements so far seem little more than token I'm sure the other camera manufacturers are keeping a close eye on micro 4/3. I've not seen any other Olympus camera with the market presence in the UK that the E-P1 has.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    If it don't come soon, my replacement might be the D90 or D300 unless I get a deal on a 35-100mm F2.0. But will I be satisfied with that lens. I need something good in the high ISO range for inside sports photography.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    I'm basically expecting, spaced from here through to December / January:

    E-550 or E-720
    E-4
    E-40.

    Will see.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Hmmmm

    These bets, but what are we betting on?

    A release or an announcement?
    If photographers stopped worrying about the short comings of their equipment and started worrying about the shortcomings behind the viewfinder, there would most probably be a marked improvement in image quality.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    especially when you think of what they can add generically straight away

    focus trimmers
    better 11 point AF
    12Mp that is more difficult to drive to banding
    better black clipping
    more centred metering for better DR distribution
    backlit buttons

    i think we should be hearing about it very soon
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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    If Oly was desperate, it should be a relatively simple matter to drop in a 12.3Mp sensor and TruePicV into the existing E-3 body and rebadge it. I'm not sure if Oly marketing would be satisfied with evolution rather than revolution. Now just a thought to drool over - Oly has a reasonable stable of 4/3 HG glass. It has the mirrorless technology from the E-P1. This allows the lens to come closer and the lens to be smaller. But if you have 4/3 lenses, wouldn't it then allow a physically larger sensor? Could this be an Oly FF competitor - or just pie in the sky?
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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Hi Bob.

    The 4/3 lenses are designed for the 4/3 sensor size. It is not possible to change that. Moving such a lens closer to the sensor than the specified 4/3 registry distance will make it loose focus at close distances and many lenses, if moved the 19.33 mm difference in registry to 4/3, will not be able to focus at any distance.

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    Jens is right
    but there is this

    Using an FF OM lens, you would have enough room for a focal reducer, which would bring the lens down to 0.5x. Thus a 50/2 lens would become 25/1.0 as the light intensity is multiplied. The effective focal length (EFL) would be just as it is on FF, imagine 135/2.8 as 67/1.4, or other lenses such as 50/1.2, 24/2, 40/2 pancake, tilt shift?

    This is the same principle that the 14-35/2 and the 35-100/2 use, originally being originally 28-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8, but in this case Olympus throttled down the lens giving just 1 stop instead of the 2 stops available.

    xray image of E3 mounted with a 35-100/2,
    the focal reducer group seen on the rear of the lens.
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    Hi Riley,

    it isn't obvious to me that there is a focal length reducing lens group in there.
    You have mentioned this a couple of times before and, while it can be speculated that those lenses in principle are constructed as you say, I don't think Olympus could cut any corners and just add a focal reducer to an FF 'base zoom lens', without having to optimize all lenses throughout the light train.
    Also, I'm pretty sure that it will not be an easy task (maybe even impossible) making such a retrofit reducer that will give satisfactory IQ at all focal lengths and focus distances. For example, the focal reducers that are commonly used for astro photography only works good for infinity focus.

    So, as the existing lenses have their definitive lens formulas, I think that the lens formula for a focal reducer must either be specialized for each lens or be a compromise with mediocre general output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Gervais View Post
    If it don't come soon, my replacement might be the D90 or D300 unless I get a deal on a 35-100mm F2.0. But will I be satisfied with that lens. I need something good in the high ISO range for inside sports photography.
    Doug Brown in Toronto does a lot of excellent indoor theatre, concert, and celebrity photography with his E-30 (and prior bodies). His venues are probably darker than your typical sports facility. He limits his E-30 to ISO 1250 (I think). ISO 1250 with f/2 is pretty good--same as ISO 2500 with f/2.8 on Nikon.

    I'm guessing that the cost of a Zuiko 35-100 f/2 will be less than the total cost of liquidating your Olympus system and buying anew with Nikon and it's pro glass. Buy your 35-100mm and be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jebir View Post
    Hi Riley,

    it isn't obvious to me that there is a focal length reducing lens group in there.
    You have mentioned this a couple of times before and, while it can be speculated that those lenses in principle are constructed as you say, I don't think Olympus could cut any corners and just add a focal reducer to an FF 'base zoom lens', without having to optimize all lenses throughout the light train.
    Also, I'm pretty sure that it will not be an easy task (maybe even impossible) making such a retrofit reducer that will give satisfactory IQ at all focal lengths and focus distances. For example, the focal reducers that are commonly used for astro photography only works good for infinity focus.

    So, as the existing lenses have their definitive lens formulas, I think that the lens formula for a focal reducer must either be specialized for each lens or be a compromise with mediocre general output.

    Cheers, Jens.
    it would be those last 4 elements
    look at the 35-100/ v/s Sigma Apo II EX DG Macro HSM 70-200/2.8
    http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/lenses.html
    the 35-100 has 21 elements in 18 groups
    the 70-200 is 18 elements in 15 groups
    similarly Tamron 70-200 SP AF 2.8 has 13 elements in 18 groups

    its not about cutting corners, i think it a good way to get a good fast lens with good edge to edge performance. With these two lenses, i dont think there is any question about that. They probably throttled the performance down for a stop b/se 2 stops proved less satisfactory, of course they could have used a 0.7x FR as well.

    And yes, one of the difficulties is, unlike tele adapters, you cant swap FR across lenses, they must be custom built for the application they are sought for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    They probably throttled the performance down for a stop b/se 2 stops proved less satisfactory, of course they could have used a 0.7x FR as well.
    My understanding is that they lost a stop because using the design (f2.8 zoom lens plus 2x wide converter) requires a very wide rear element, which would have made it incompatible with the mount. It was not a choice to make the lens optically better, simply physically impossible to construct otherwise. So they ended up with a lens of f2.0, but with the size and weight of a f1.4 lens.
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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    it seems, you get some of that stop back when you depress the lens release button
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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Makes me wish even more for a regular-design 35-100 HG lens. I want that range, and I want something lighter than the 50-200, not heavier...

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    Hi Riley,

    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    it would be those last 4 elements
    look at the 35-100/ v/s Sigma Apo II EX DG Macro HSM 70-200/2.8
    http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/43/lenses.html
    the 35-100 has 21 elements in 18 groups
    the 70-200 is 18 elements in 15 groups
    similarly Tamron 70-200 SP AF 2.8 has 13 elements in 18 groups

    its not about cutting corners, i think it a good way to get a good fast lens with good edge to edge performance. With these two lenses, i dont think there is any question about that. They probably throttled the performance down for a stop b/se 2 stops proved less satisfactory, of course they could have used a 0.7x FR as well.
    There is just so much you can work out from those lens diagrams. I have studied them as well and I agree that there are similarities but it is also clear that it is not just another group of lenses added in the end. I don't doubt that they did follow the principle you outlined for that lens but what I seriously doubt is that they added a reducer lens group at the end without modifying the rest of the entire lens train slightly.

    Anyway, my point is that I don't think it would be a practical way forward to pursue focal length reducers for an array of OM-fit FF lenses. Such lenses would have to be re-designed with the reducer elements included in the process from scratch.

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    Default Re: Will their be a replacement for the E-3 soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by jebir View Post
    Hi Bob.

    The 4/3 lenses are designed for the 4/3 sensor size. It is not possible to change that. Moving such a lens closer to the sensor than the specified 4/3 registry distance will make it loose focus at close distances and many lenses, if moved the 19.33 mm difference in registry to 4/3, will not be able to focus at any distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebir View Post
    Hi Riley,
    Anyway, my point is that I don't think it would be a practical way forward to pursue focal length reducers for an array of OM-fit FF lenses. Such lenses would have to be re-designed with the reducer elements included in the process from scratch.
    Not to mention that you then also end up with lenses with 4 more lens elements than otherwise necessary, adding cost, weight and size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Gervais View Post
    If it don't come soon, my replacement might be the D90 or D300 unless I get a deal on a 35-100mm F2.0. But will I be satisfied with that lens. I need something good in the high ISO range for inside sports photography.
    I won't say I do a lot of indoor sports (it happens in the same way it happens I'm in the West Bank), but I do crave better high ISO performance. What I want is at least ISO3200 that's usable in real life conditions (ie. when you've got bloody great patches of shaddow..)..
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