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    Question Olympus DZ 35-100mm and EC-14

    I'm seriously considering a major investment in my photo gear (body question here) this year but would like thoughts from others before taking the plunge. Photography is just a hobby although I have occasionally taken on a commercial photo shoot. I photograph a wide range of topics including landscapes, car shows, public events, concerts, motorsports, and an occasional portrait.

    I am considering investing in the Olympus 35-100mm lens, mostly for concert and event purposes. I considered the 50-200mm but think i would be better served with the 35-100mm due to it's better low light performance.

    In considering this lens I'm wondering if anyone has any experience combining the 35-100mm with the EC-14 for a little added reach. I have the Oly 70-300mm but for obvious reasons it isn't a good low light lens. The 70-300mm has performed exceptionally well covering outdoor sports when there is plenty of light, but doesn't meet my needs in anything less. Would the 35-100mm combined with the EC-14 still perform well enough to cover outdoor sporting events in less than ideal lighting conditions?

    Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.
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    I have been contemplating this with the same variables involved. I look forward to here the responses, whilst I think they will be a resounding "fork the money over" reply.
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    Not sure what you're expecting people to say. The only disadvantages of a lens like this are weight and size (edit: and price, of course). If you don't care about either, buy it.

    Also, adding an EC-14 to it pretty much turns it into a 50-200, as both would be f/2.8 @50mm
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    Default Re: Olympus DZ 35-100mm and EC-14

    Expensive and heavy, but very good, even with EC-14.

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    I have the 35-100 and both EC-14 and EC-20 although I only got the EC-14 recently and haven't had the chance to use it with the 35-100 yet. But the lens works very well with the EC-20 making it a 70-200 f4. The loss of IQ is very minimal and often undetectable, I have pixel peeped out of interest and on the odd shot noticed very minimal purple fringing on parts of some images but nothing of any concern.
    The lens focusses well with the EC-20 too.
    From that I have no reason to believe it wont perform well with the EC-14 (making it 49-140mm f2.8), my camera is away for repair at the moment which is why I haven't had the opportunity to test the EC-14.
    I used to have the 50-200 SWD lens and bought the 35-100 to replace it and have not regretted it. With the EC-20 it covers the same range as the 50-200 although 0.5 stop slower from 70-200mm. I have found the 35-100 to show more detail and resolution than the mighty 50-200 SWD.
    Because the 35-100 is not an SWD lens it possibly isn't as suitable for fast moving objects but I have had absolutely no issues with it focussing, it goes straight to the focus point and is always accurate, it a lot of cases just as fast as the SWD lenses as they whip around to the focus point faster but sometimes do micro corrections where as the 35-100 just arrives and is ready immediately.

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    If anyone is interested, I will sell my 35-100 to you. I don't have time to take photos and put them up right now, but I will do it this evening.

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    Hi Jack. I use both the 35-100 and the 50-200 for concert photography, but in different settings. The 50-200 is great for outdoor concerts and festivals, where I usually cannot get very close to the stage, but that lens is too dark for most indoor concerts. That's why I bought the 35-100, for f/2 across the entire range of focal lengths.

    The EC-14 turns the 35-100 into a 50-140 mm lens at f/2.8, with no significant loss in optical quality. That is too much focal length for most indoor concerts and too little focal length for some outdoor concerts, but it's a very good compromise if you don't want to buy a 50-200 too.

    Your choice (besides how big is your wheelbarrow full of money) comes down to how important indoor vs outdoor concerts are to you, I think.

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    I would suggest using the 50-200 over the 35-100 + EC-14. Using the 35-100 with the EC-14 basically turns it into a 50-150/2.8 anyways, so no better than the 50-200, really.

    The reason i might get a 35-100 + EC-14 is if you primarily need a 35-100 but *occasionally* need the longer reach. If you need both 35-100 + 50-200 on a regular basis, i would get the 35-100 and the old (non-SWD) version of the 50-200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmunds View Post
    Not sure what you're expecting people to say. The only disadvantages of a lens like this are weight and size (edit: and price, of course). If you don't care about either, buy it.

    Also, adding an EC-14 to it pretty much turns it into a 50-200, as both would be f/2.8 @50mm
    Just hoping for some personal experience, especially with the combination. I know the two won't meet all of my needs, but I'd prefer a little first hand experience before spending that kind of money on a lens. The EC-14 has uses with other lenses so I'm not too worried about purchasing it, but wanted any experience from anyone who has used the combination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes View Post
    Expensive and heavy, but very good, even with EC-14.
    Indeed. That's what I was looking for, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woofmix View Post
    I have the 35-100 and both EC-14 and EC-20 although I only got the EC-14 recently and haven't had the chance to use it with the 35-100 yet. But the lens works very well with the EC-20 making it a 70-200 f4.
    The lens focusses well with the EC-20 too.
    From that I have no reason to believe it wont perform well with the EC-14 (making it 49-140mm f2.8)...
    I used to have the 50-200 SWD lens and bought the 35-100 to replace it and have not regretted it. With the EC-20 it covers the same range as the 50-200 although 0.5 stop slower from 70-200mm. I have found the 35-100 to show more detail and resolution than the mighty 50-200 SWD.
    Because the 35-100 is not an SWD lens it possibly isn't as suitable for fast moving objects but I have had absolutely no issues with it focussing, it goes straight to the focus point and is always accurate, it a lot of cases just as fast as the SWD lenses as they whip around to the focus point faster but sometimes do micro corrections where as the 35-100 just arrives and is ready immediately.

    Paul
    Some excellent insight. I hadn't considered the EC-20, maybe I shouldn't have ruled it out prematurely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petephoto1 View Post
    That's what pushed me to take the leap now

    Quote Originally Posted by finemom View Post
    If anyone is interested, I will sell my 35-100 to you. I don't have time to take photos and put them up right now, but I will do it this evening.
    We will have to discuss this possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Finnerty View Post
    Hi Jack. I use both the 35-100 and the 50-200 for concert photography, but in different settings. The 50-200 is great for outdoor concerts and festivals, where I usually cannot get very close to the stage, but that lens is too dark for most indoor concerts. That's why I bought the 35-100, for f/2 across the entire range of focal lengths.

    The EC-14 turns the 35-100 into a 50-140 mm lens at f/2.8, with no significant loss in optical quality. That is too much focal length for most indoor concerts and too little focal length for some outdoor concerts, but it's a very good compromise if you don't want to buy a 50-200 too.
    The vast majority are indoor concerts, that's why I was thinking the 35-100 was the best option. It gives me both distance and light (just not light-weight). Since I'm hoping for a body upgrade at the same time I have to stick to one lens for now, otherwise I'd jump on the 50-200 at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by e_dawg View Post
    I would suggest using the 50-200 over the 35-100 + EC-14. Using the 35-100 with the EC-14 basically turns it into a 50-150/2.8 anyways, so no better than the 50-200, really.

    The reason i might get a 35-100 + EC-14 is if you primarily need a 35-100 but *occasionally* need the longer reach. If you need both 35-100 + 50-200 on a regular basis, i would get the 35-100 and the old (non-SWD) version of the 50-200.
    You hit the nail on the head. I find myself primarily in the 35-100 range. My Sigma 18-50 is way too short so I took my 70-300 out a couple times, knowing I wouldn't get any images but to see what focal lengths would work best, and found myself between 75-120 a lot. I figure the 35-100 gets me close enough to 120 that it will suffice for all the indoor stuff I do, and with any luck, with the EC-14 (or possibly EC-20) will give me just enough to get the rare outdoor event when there isn't sufficient light for the 70-300.

    Thank you all for your feedback, it is greatly appreciated, and I look forward to any more that may come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackAZ View Post
    Just hoping for some personal experience, especially with the combination. I know the two won't meet all of my needs, but I'd prefer a little first hand experience before spending that kind of money on a lens. The EC-14 has uses with other lenses so I'm not too worried about purchasing it, but wanted any experience from anyone who has used the combination.
    The 35-100 is possibly the most highly regarded zoom lens on this forum. You're gonna have to search far and wide to find a complaint.

    If you're unsure, maybe rent it first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmunds View Post
    The 35-100 is possibly the most highly regarded zoom lens on this forum. You're gonna have to search far and wide to find a complaint.

    If you're unsure, maybe rent it first?
    I have been considering that but then started to think about using that money to purchase the EC-14 or EC-20. I think I have learned enough from the members here to know that I can't go wrong with the 35-100 and if I have a use for it in combination with whichever extender I decide on, great, if not, no loss as the extender will work with other lenses.

    I appreciate everyone's feedback, advice, and opinions. It helps lessen the blow as my wife realizes photography as a hobby isn't any less expensive than motorcycles were .
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    It works ok. Maybe a bit better than a 50-200, but less reach.

    The wide end with EC-14



    At full reach 2950x2213 crop



    My tendancy is to reach for the 50-200. The difference in IQ is close and the weight difference is there, and it always seems I want just a little more reach. Not a bad combo, though.

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    A friend lent me his E1 so I was out today and used it with the 35-100 and EC-14, it makes a nice combo, still fast (f2.8) but the EC-14 doesn't add much length to the lens (I mean physically, not focally) (the EC-20 does) but the extra 40mm reach is handy for some shots. The combo gives a nice sharp, detailed image with a nice Bokeh.

    Here's a duck at 140mm 1/125 f3.5 (0.5 stop off wide open) ISO200 with an E1.
    Raw file processed in LR2.6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fldspringer View Post
    It works ok. Maybe a bit better than a 50-200, but less reach.

    My tendancy is to reach for the 50-200. The difference in IQ is close and the weight difference is there, and it always seems I want just a little more reach. Not a bad combo, though.

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    That's quite a catch; for both you and the springer! Very nice shots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woofmix View Post
    A friend lent me his E1 so I was out today and used it with the 35-100 and EC-14, it makes a nice combo, still fast (f2.8) but the EC-14 doesn't add much length to the lens (I mean physically, not focally) (the EC-20 does) but the extra 40mm reach is handy for some shots. The combo gives a nice sharp, detailed image with a nice Bokeh.

    Here's a duck at 140mm 1/125 f3.5 (0.5 stop off wide open) ISO200 with an E1.
    Raw file processed in LR2.6.

    Paul
    Those results are better than I would have expected. Not IQ, but I wasn't expecting such good bokeh.

    Excellent images gents. Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackAZ View Post
    That's quite a catch; for both you and the springer! Very nice shots.

    Your very kind.

    Not that I think your forgetting this, but remember the lens is outstanding without the converter. Of all the lenses I own, I look forward to uploading the images from this one most.

    Here is one at 93mm f2. Love this lens!



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    Quote Originally Posted by fldspringer View Post
    Not that I think your forgetting this, but remember the lens is outstanding without the converter. Of all the lenses I own, I look forward to uploading the images from this one most.
    Nice shot, I agree the lens really is good and I also look forward to uploading images from it, it's also a delight to use, my fav upload lens is the 90-250, that lens really tugs my heartstrings :-)

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    Just to see what difference I could discern, I took three photos of the same subject at F4.0/250 using the following: the 50-200 SWD at 200MM, the 35-100 with the EC20 converter for an effective focal length of 200MM. The final shot was the 35-100 without using the converter - just with the E3 positioned closer to the subject. What I see is some chromatic aberration (purple fringing) on the shot with the converted attached but otherwise three very similar outcomes. I don't own an EC14 converter. All three shots were untouched RAW files saved as 1200 X 900 JPEGs so I could upload them to the site.
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    Just to be clear, the first shell picture is with the 35-100 using the EC20, the second is with the 50-200 SWD, and the third is using the 35-100 with no converter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenez View Post
    Just to see what difference I could discern, I took three photos of the same subject at F4.0/250 using the following: the 50-200 SWD at 200MM, the 35-100 with the EC20 converter for an effective focal length of 200MM. The final shot was the 35-100 without using the converter - just with the E3 positioned closer to the subject. What I see is some chromatic aberration (purple fringing) on the shot with the converted attached but otherwise three very similar outcomes. I don't own an EC14 converter. All three shots were untouched RAW files saved as 1200 X 900 JPEGs so I could upload them to the site.
    While subjective tests can be useful and interesting I think the sometimes the quality of a lens can be hard to define as it consists if so many different parameters all mixed in together that give top lenses that unique quality. I can look at shots I have taken with the the 14-35, 35-100 and 90-250 and there is often just something about those shots that make them stand out from shots taken with my previous lenses, not always but the difference is often there. When doing subjective tests we try to evaluate each lens by it's sharpness, bokeh, contrast rendition, distortion, CA's, etc but when the lens is just simply used to take nice photos then we can stand back and admire all those qualities mixed in together that make the picture look so good.

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    Recently I also got EC-14... Only thing what i didn't like, was OOF area at F2.8 at some distances- OOF rendering is very harsh. But it happens just some distances, not all.
    Elsewise all is fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by JackAZ View Post
    I'm seriously considering a major investment in my photo gear (body question here) this year but would like thoughts from others before taking the plunge. Photography is just a hobby although I have occasionally taken on a commercial photo shoot. I photograph a wide range of topics including landscapes, car shows, public events, concerts, motorsports, and an occasional portrait.

    I am considering investing in the Olympus 35-100mm lens, mostly for concert and event purposes. I considered the 50-200mm but think i would be better served with the 35-100mm due to it's better low light performance.

    In considering this lens I'm wondering if anyone has any experience combining the 35-100mm with the EC-14 for a little added reach. I have the Oly 70-300mm but for obvious reasons it isn't a good low light lens. The 70-300mm has performed exceptionally well covering outdoor sports when there is plenty of light, but doesn't meet my needs in anything less. Would the 35-100mm combined with the EC-14 still perform well enough to cover outdoor sporting events in less than ideal lighting conditions?

    Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.

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    Default Test of 35-100 + EC20 vs 50-200

    Link to a test of the 35-100 + EC20 vs the 50-200 I did a while ago when someone asked a similar question. If you are happy with these results, the EC14 is slightly better than the EC20.

    http://alevan.smugmug.com/Other/Olym...60717722_uTc6H



    Quote Originally Posted by JackAZ View Post
    I'm seriously considering a major investment in my photo gear (body question here) this year but would like thoughts from others before taking the plunge. Photography is just a hobby although I have occasionally taken on a commercial photo shoot. I photograph a wide range of topics including landscapes, car shows, public events, concerts, motorsports, and an occasional portrait.

    I am considering investing in the Olympus 35-100mm lens, mostly for concert and event purposes. I considered the 50-200mm but think i would be better served with the 35-100mm due to it's better low light performance.

    In considering this lens I'm wondering if anyone has any experience combining the 35-100mm with the EC-14 for a little added reach. I have the Oly 70-300mm but for obvious reasons it isn't a good low light lens. The 70-300mm has performed exceptionally well covering outdoor sports when there is plenty of light, but doesn't meet my needs in anything less. Would the 35-100mm combined with the EC-14 still perform well enough to cover outdoor sporting events in less than ideal lighting conditions?

    Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.
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    Default Re: Test of 35-100 + EC20 vs 50-200

    Quote Originally Posted by Alevan View Post
    Link to a test of the 35-100 + EC20 vs the 50-200 I did a while ago when someone asked a similar question. If you are happy with these results, the EC14 is slightly better than the EC20.

    http://alevan.smugmug.com/Other/Olym...60717722_uTc6H
    I don't know why you'd go to all that work and then not link to either full size images or 100% crops...

    What we see in your tests are 22 somewhat identical images.

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    OK I changed the settings and you can view larger sizes + original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackAZ View Post

    I am considering investing in the Olympus 35-100mm lens, mostly for concert and event purposes. I considered the 50-200mm but think i would be better served with the 35-100mm due to it's better low light performance.

    In considering this lens I'm wondering if anyone has any experience combining the 35-100mm with the EC-14 for a little added reach. I have the Oly 70-300mm but for obvious reasons it isn't a good low light lens. The 70-300mm has performed exceptionally well covering outdoor sports when there is plenty of light, but doesn't meet my needs in anything less. Would the 35-100mm combined with the EC-14 still perform well enough to cover outdoor sporting events in less than ideal lighting conditions?

    Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.

    you probably have enough good advice already but i will weigh in with teh observation that i occasionally shoot indoor concerts and always use the 35-100 (native) and the 11-22 ... occasionally i have used the 50-200 but on a tripod ... if you can afford it the 35-100 is an extremely good quality lens ...

    i have used the teleconverter on the 35-100 for other purposes and it is has produced good quality results

    regards david
    David
    (Nightboss was one of my dogs)

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