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    Default Moving up from 510

    Succinctly would a e 620 show better results than than my e 510, rather than start over with a mirrorless system that might make more sense, that way I keep all the stuff I have, several lenses, remotes, etc.

    the 620 has the 12 mgp sensor, more focus points, faster ISO

    your thoughts?

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    No way, I like the E-510's image quality a lot better. The E-510 is very sharp with ultra fine compression. The E-620 is a fine camera, but I would never "upgrade" an E-510 to that. If you want an upgrade to an E-510 and don't want to go mirrorless, get an E-5 or an E-3. An E-5 for better everything... large, bright pentaprism viewfinder, forward/rear control dials, PC Sync and Cable Release, weather sealing, heavy metal frame, excellent high-ISO detail, sharp resolution at all ISO levels, lack of chroma and luminance noise, and all cross-hairs AF points.

    Get the E-3 if you want a much better viewfinder, much better build and controls, and faster AF... but don't require better image quality than your E-510. The E-510 actually has sharper, more detailed, more finer images than the E-3, but not as good as the E-5.

    I don't consider any of the other cameras between the E-3 and E-5 besides the E-30 (E-520, E-420, E-450, E-600, or E-620) to be an upgrade to the E-510 at all. Again, not saying that they're bad cameras, but they're not in any practical way better than the E-510. A pro-grade body like the E-5 is a real upgrade, and a mirrorless body is an upgrade in a totally different direction.

    What kind of lenses do you have for your E-510, by the way? You'll find the E-620 is more slippery to hold with larger lenses, similar to a mirrorless camera. The E-510 does not have this problem.
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    Thanks for the info I would not have guessed that

    i have

    14-42, 40-140, 35 macro, 70-300, 14-54 Mk I, om 50 1.8 with adapter
    and a sigma 30mm 1.4 that has frankly been a disappointment

    as the e 3 and 510 have what I understand to be the same sensor, I didn't see much point in that, going mirrorless would seem to be a start all over proposition

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    The 620 is a strange one. It it got good reviews but didn't really stand the test of time. Odd really, as it has the same imaging specs as the E-30 but is somehow not as good. And it possibly has the worst AF of any Olympus DSLR!

    If the E-510's sharpness and colour float your boat then you have to look to either an E-5 or one of the Pens (starting at the E-PL1 which can be bought very cheaply these days).

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    I recently picked up an E-1 and like it so much I'm planning to sell my 620. The E-1 might be a nice companion for your 510, and they can be found for well below $300USD.
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    I have both, an E510 and an E620. The 510 is gathering dust. The 620 isn't nearly as prone to blowing highlights and of course the articulated screen is nice. Overall a better camera IMHO
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    I like the size of the 510 which is why I considered the 620, the forum seems more negative thus far, as someone remarked, strange as the 12 mgp sensor was supposedly a winner

    Seems to me Oly could have brought out a mirrorless camera in the same original width as the 510 then no need for an adapter which would just make it that width anyway, and then all the original lenses fit

    But they were spending too much time on the cover up to think of that I guess

    with most any tele lens, I don't see that the OMD is really smaller than the 510

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    If you can afford it and don't mind the size the E-5 is a upgrade. Once you get a feel for the controls, it is a fast operator with a much better viewfinder, more DR and better ISO performance.

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    now that you mention it,the E 1 has the very nice kodak sensor that kirk tuck has praised
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    Quote Originally Posted by River Rat View Post
    as the e 3 and 510 have what I understand to be the same sensor, I didn't see much point in that, going mirrorless would seem to be a start all over proposition
    Same sensor, but the E-510's images are actually BETTER than the E-3. Sharper and richer. The E-3's AA filter was simply too strong.

    However, there's a lot more to a camera than just the quality or output of the sensor. The E-510 was second to my E-3 and hardly ever came out due to the superior build, viewfinder, and controls of the E-3. The handling of a camera should be much higher on your list of priorities than it seems to be... especially when you're comparing cameras which are already very old technology. Build quality, like optical quality, will stand the test of time.

    That said though, I would still hold out on an E-5, OM-D, or PEN upgrade over an E-3 - all three of which are superior in imaging performance. I did actually retire my E-3 long time ago for an E-PL2 PEN Lite which offered the same image quality of an E-5 in a much more compact form, and saved me enough money over an E-5 to purchase two E-PM1 PEN Minis to go with it. All three cameras produce sharper images from my same Zuiko Four-Thirds glass than my E-3 did, and all three are "on par" with the E-5's image quality.
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    The 510 can produce good images within its rigid boundaries, but stray outside of them and it's brutal. If you like to shoot outdoors in direct sun or in dim conditions needing ISOs above 400, there are better options. If you can find a clean used E-30 that's my standard upgrade recommendation for 510 shooters. I've handled a 620 but not enough to suggest it as a clear upgrade, and I'd hesitate to commit to a different battery if you're keeping the 510 regardless.

    Longer term, the E-5 is the grail of the E system if you can stretch far enough to get one.

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    There are very few situations the E-510 can be better than the E-620. Only time I would prefer the 510 is if I'm shooting outdoors, bright sunlight, ISO100. The E-620 will only be behind the 510 in that situation if you pixel peep. The many ways the 620 is better makes it worth it. Better at high ISO, bigger viewfinder, info display at bottom of finder, better/faster AF, NATIVE BATTERY GRIP (I really needed to shout that). Only reason to get the E-510 is if you want a cheap daylight/flash/studio only camera, and can live without the battery grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neddog View Post
    Same sensor, but the E-510's images are actually BETTER than the E-3. Sharper and richer. The E-3's AA filter was simply too strong.
    Better is largely subjective. The 510 seems to only be better in one aspect of image quality, and it seems people really get hung up on that aspect. Overall though, the E-3 has larger dynamic range/lower noise at higher iso's; and in my opinion at lower iso's as well/and (possibly arguable) better colours.

    I worried about buying an E-3 a short time ago because of all the stress I read about the 510 being sharper. I couldn't be happier that I bought it regardless.

    At worst I notice no difference between the two. More often than not though, I'm loving the images from the E-3 so much more. Maybe I'm crazy, but the difference in sharpness between the two seems insignificant to me-especially in light of what an issue it's been made out to be.


    Moving on though, I'm also surprised by the downcast attitude toward the 620. I would have thought it'd be close to identical to the E-30 in IQ. I'd considered one in the past as my second camera, but disliked that they removed the grip that the 510 had. So instead, beginning of this year I bought a used E-3 and have been using that with the 510 playing secondary; and I'm considering offloading/retiring the 510 and replacing it with an E-30. Regarding which I'll echo Rick D and recommend as an upgrade. I think you'd end up enjoying the ergonomics of it and as Rick pointed out you'd be able to keep using the batteries you already have.

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    The 620 is clearly ahead of the 510 in every respect that matters. (I'm not knocking the 510) An E5 really isn't even in the same upgrade path. If we're talking an E5 then why not a used 5DII? Makes way more sense.
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    I have had an E-510 which I had converted to infrared
    and then I also bought an E-620. I have been considering
    selling the E-620 because the (complex) menus and feel
    just don't compare with the E-510 IMO. I would consider
    getting an E-520 for the contrast focusing.
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    If you want to go the E-1 route, I have a hardly used one (5,800 shutter count) for $250.00 like this one: http://tinyurl.com/bnmlb77 Location: near Sacramento, Calif. My ebay user ID is brucekimball if you want to check my feedback.

    I just got a new E-M5 for it's great video capabilities so I'll be using that.
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    I don't regret upgrading from 510 to 30. Dual control dial is the feature I most like along with an extra stop of ISO and the tilt-out screen. I justified buying it for the slightly higher dynamic range to use on skiing holidays. I do not know the 620 but one problem would be incompatibility of batteries if you intend keeping the 510 as well for kicking about in the car/lending to friends as I do.

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    +1 for the reasons quoted

    Quote Originally Posted by mikebbh View Post
    I don't regret upgrading from 510 to 30. Dual control dial is the feature I most like along with an extra stop of ISO and the tilt-out screen.

    Mike

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    I gather that you have found using the adapter from 4/3 to m 4/3 to be easy, not a problem?

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    Didn't have E-510 but upgraded from 520 to 620.
    When I was buying 520 I needed RC for my flashes so that's the reason I didn't get 510.
    E-520 can and is softer but that's the only thing wrong with it.
    E-620 is amazing camera for weight/size/price.
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    The 620 is clearly ahead of the 510 in every respect that matters. (I'm not knocking the 510) An E5 really isn't even in the same upgrade path. If we're talking an E5 then why not a used 5DII? Makes way more sense.
    lol. How does that make more sense? Moving up from an entry-level Four-Thirds E-System DSLR body to a pro-grade Four-Thirds E-System DSLR body "isn't even in the same upgrade path", but moving to a Canon body with EF mount that can't even use Four-Thirds lenses with an adapter "makes way more sense"? wtf?

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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    My point was that if you're going from a $175 camera to a $1600 camera you are :
    a) not staying in the same league so...
    b) it might be rational to explore all options at your new price point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    My point was that if you're going from a $175 camera to a $1600 camera you are :
    a) not staying in the same league so...
    b) it might be rational to explore all options at your new price point.
    Okay I'll grant you that, but calling his E-510 a "$175 camera" is ignoring a $1500 (very quick estimate from looking at his list) collection of lenses as well as the fact that the E-510 was certainly not a $175 camera when he bought it. If the E-5 is "a $1600 camera" then the E-510 was actually an $700 camera, and that is the "price point" or price bracket it was geared towards.

    I do get your point, but I see way too much hyperbole and fact stretching to make that point...
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    Default Re: Moving up from 510

    Oddly enough, I started with the E510, the two-kit-lens setup. I've upgraded since to an E30, and indeed that is the really sensible upgrade path. Shame that it's not around any more new.

    The whole point of an upgrade is to increase your options. An E620 is more moving sideways than it is moving upwards: the E30 adds quite a bit of camera to the system, with a significantly improved viewfinder, the top LCD, and I've found it infinitely more comfortable and better handling than the E510. Add the 12-60 to the combo and that's all that matters.

    Moving to an entirely different system also makes no sense to me. Why would I want to give up the Olympus quality of lenses??? That'd be like arguing you should move to a Canon DSLR from a Leica M9 because the M9 isn't a DSLR...

    Given that the E30 isn't available new, you'll have to get a used one or, alternatively, bite the bullet for the E5. When I upgraded, I could have done that for only around $400 more, but I was already just barely within budget with the E30+12-60 combo. Sorta wished I had, though. The E5 viewfinder is awesome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neddog View Post
    Okay I'll grant you that, but calling his E-510 a "$175 camera" is ignoring a $1500 (very quick estimate from looking at his list) collection of lenses as well as the fact that the E-510 was certainly not a $175 camera when he bought it. If the E-5 is "a $1600 camera" then the E-510 was actually an $700 camera, and that is the "price point" or price bracket it was geared towards.

    I do get your point, but I see way too much hyperbole and fact stretching to make that point...
    At initial launch, the E-510 was a $1,000 camera with the two lens setup (14-42mm, 40-150mm mark 2). I know, I bought that version in 2007 at initial launch. Several years later, I sold the E-510 for $200, and sold the 14-42mm to Bootstrap for $70, though I eventually bought a used 14-42mm again. After the initial launch, Olympus came out with a single lens kit at $900, and the body only version for $800.

    When the E-510 was announced, the E-3 was not in sight. Six months later, it was announced at $1,700 body only, and I think $2,500 or $2,700 for 12-60mm + FL-50R combo.

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