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    Default 14-54 to a 12-60

    Hi
    I have a 14 54MkII and a 50-200SWD-
    I am considering getting rid of the 14 54 and going with a 12 60-
    I have found the the 14 54 just not as sharp as I like-
    Would I notice an increase in IQ? Are there any other reasons
    to go with the 12 60 ?
    I photograph mostly boats cars trains aircraft trucks etc-
    I drive an E 5 and sometimes my E620
    Many thanks for any advice-
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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishtug View Post
    Hi
    I have a 14 54MkII and a 50-200SWD-
    I am considering getting rid of the 14 54 and going with a 12 60-
    I have found the the 14 54 just not as sharp as I like-
    Would I notice an increase in IQ? Are there any other reasons
    to go with the 12 60 ?
    I photograph mostly boats cars trains aircraft trucks etc-
    I drive an E 5 and sometimes my E620
    Many thanks for any advice-
    Monty
    I did the same, 14-54MkII -> 12-60. Mostly because I got a good deal but secondarily the 12mm vs 14mm is pretty pronounced at the wide end. Throw in a little more reach and it makes for a fine lens. My copy of the 14-54 was great and the 12-60 is too.
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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    I had both lenses and kept the 14-54mm. I didn't see any difference in sharpness between the lenses but didn't like the wide angle sine wave distortion of the 12-60mm.
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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    I had both lenses as well and in large print and the sharper images the E5 produces the 12-60mm was noticeably sharper. As cheap as 12-60mm are on the used market I cant imagine prefering the 14-54mm. But a agree the 14-54mm is a superb lens.


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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    Honestly Monty, I've used both and I just couldn't see spending the funds for the slight upgrade. The 14-54mm is a great lens and a great bargain. We have two in the household, and not a single 12-60mm to be found.

    I've seen your work on the photo posts, and I was just out in the Port Dover area last weekend. I have something for you to ponder: While the price of the 12-60mm may be down, the price of the 14-35mm is REALLY down compared to a couple of years ago. If (and its an big if) the E-7 is released, there will be an immediate upsurge in SHG prices, at least for a while. I bought nearly all my SHGs back in that window of time when the E3 was delayed and E1/E300/E330 owners were bailing in droves. Same thing has been happening this past year.

    Next time I am swinging by your area, I'd be pleased to do a stopover and you could shoot some SHGs for part of a day.

    Or maybe not, because then you will most likely will not buy a 12-60mm after that.

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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    Quote Originally Posted by zippski View Post
    Honestly Monty, I've used both and I just couldn't see spending the funds for the slight upgrade. The 14-54mm is a great lens and a great bargain. We have two in the household, and not a single 12-60mm to be found.

    I've seen your work on the photo posts, and I was just out in the Port Dover area last weekend. I have something for you to ponder: While the price of the 12-60mm may be down, the price of the 14-35mm is REALLY down compared to a couple of years ago. If (and its an big if) the E-7 is released, there will be an immediate upsurge in SHG prices, at least for a while. I bought nearly all my SHGs back in that window of time when the E3 was delayed and E1/E300/E330 owners were bailing in droves. Same thing has been happening this past year.

    Next time I am swinging by your area, I'd be pleased to do a stopover and you could shoot some SHGs for part of a day.

    Or maybe not, because then you will most likely will not buy a 12-60mm after that.

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    The 14-35 is an amazing lens. This is good advice.

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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    The 14-54mm is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but it's pretty darn sharp. If it's not sharp enough to your liking (and yes, I sometimes feel the same way about mine), then the 12-60mm will not be too much better. Its sharpness will be more consistent towards the edges of the frame, but you won't see any increase in center sharpness.

    Instead, two things that will make a big difference would be either 1) an upgrade to the 14-35mm f/2, or 2) an upgrade from the E-620 to an E-5. Either option would make a much more noticeable difference than the 14-54mm to 12-60mm. Also, do you have Noise Filter turned off on the E-620? I find all the Olympus bodies from the E-3 to the E-30 (including E-3, E-520, E-420, E-450, E-620, and E-30) to be rather soft for my tastes with too strong of an AA filter, and that does put a damper on the otherwise sharp and high-resolving Zuiko glass. Even a newer Olympus PEN or OM-D from the E-PL2 and newer (E-PL2, E-P3, E-PL3, E-PM1, and E-M5) will also produce the same sharp, detailed images as the E-5, as they followed after with the same imaging system and weak AA filter.
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    Another thing that rarely gets the kudos it deserves (or even mentioned) regarding the 14-54mm (esp. Version I) is that it has really unique way of rendering starpoints in, for example, sunsets. It must be something about the shape of the aperture blades.

    If you close the 14-54mm's aperture way down to smaller than f/16 or so, you will not find that any Olympus lens renders a nicer "sunpoints", and that includes the 14-35mm.

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    I tested the 14-54 against the 12-60, and Sharpness was a wash on the e-30 both wide open and at. F5.6, there were marginal differences that went either way depending on focal length. I kept the 14-54 because I didn't like the sine wave distortion mentioned above and preferred the somewhat smaller size of the 14-54.
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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    I use the 12-60 quite a bit (probably too much). Don't have the 14-54 II, but was able to try one for a day and make some comparisons.

    At least with the copies I used, with my E-5 the 12-60 was at least marginally sharper throughout: marginally sharper wide open, becoming more noticeably sharper after 5.6. So that jives with olddigiman's comments.

    The 12-60's distortion at the very wide end is well known, but is usually removed very easily using PTLens or some of the lens profiles available now for LR etc. But still, when shooting very wide (say, wider than 18mm), you need to keep distortion correction in mind so you don't lose critical details right at the very edges of the frame.

    I used the 14-54 I quite a while before getting the 12-60. It seems many people who make the switch do so for the extra 2mm wide, but I switched because of the extra 6mm long. A matter of shooting style.

    If there's a way to hold off and maybe move to the 14-35, from what I've seen and people here say, that might be the route to really picking up increased sharpness.

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    Default Re: 14-54 to a 12-60

    Many thanks to all who responded-
    It seems that for what I do the 14-54 is pretty good-
    If I ever win the lotto I guess I should graduate to a 14-35-
    Once again thanks to all for the well reasoned responses-
    This site is great - I have really learned a lot since joining-
    Monty
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