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    Thanks to all my friends here. This has been a great place to share Olympus 4/3rds and general photo info. I've been here since late in '06 and lurked earlier than that. I was looking through the list of the gear I've acquired and sold over that time... E1s, E3s, and the E5 with phalanx of lenses. Olympus has been good to me and for me. As I'm getting "more experienced" (i'm in my late '50s... I'm not old yet, but I'm not as young as I used to be either) I find that my tolerance for techno wizardry is becoming less and less. I have found that I just don't WANT to deal with buttons and menus any more. It's not that I can't, I just don't want to spend the time, and EVFs just don't fit the way I shoot. I decided to "return to my roots" which is bright-line rangefinder cameras. I learned to work with a Leica M2 and later an M4 kit. I've bought and sold several over the years, and sold my last one shortly after I acquired my first E1 and went digital.

    Leica prices were (and are) pretty astronomically priced, so I had a brief affair with the Fuji X-Pro1. It was an amazing image-maker... and also cemented my dislike of EVFs and having LOTS of buttons to have to learn and use to defeat the programming "features" in order to be able to use the camera the way I wanted to. It was an amazing system, but it wasn't for me. It DID, however, teach me that if I want the simplicity of a bright-line manual rangefinder camera, I was going to have to pay the price of admission again. Fortunately, the Leica patent on the M lens mount has expired, and there some pretty amazing M-mount lenses out there now by manufacturers other than Leica that can in fact be had reasonably, especially used. I've gotta say that using this equipment is so comfortable, it feels like coming home and putting on your favorite pair of jeans and sneakers. It just fits.

    So, my friends, I am officially out of 4/3rds now. It's been a great ride, but the 4/3ds road is heading places I really don't care to go. Thanks to everyone who bought my equipment, and thanks to everyone here who have been great friends sharing our common interest for the past seven years. I feel like I have come to know some of you personally, and for that I'm much richer. Some of you I'll see on other forums as your equipment interests are wider than 4/3rds as well.

    I'll check in from time to time just to see how things here are progressing.

    Keep shootin', and... "Party ON, Garth!" (geez... I really AM showing my age...)

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    I will be sorry to see you go Roger, but I am in the same boat with age and my reluctance to deal with buttons and menus any more. I will probably stick around long enough to see what Olympus has up their sleeve.
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    Another Leica snob.......
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    Thanks Lawrence... I'll check in from time to time to see how you're getting on...

    Jim... what's your point?
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    Happy trails Roger.
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    So long, and thanks for the fish photos.

    Have fun with your Leica.
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    Welcome to the club. My bride refers to it as a sickness.....

    Quote Originally Posted by roger h View Post
    Thanks Lawrence... I'll check in from time to time to see how you're getting on...

    Jim... what's your point?
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    Thanks, John. And to you as well!

    David, I've always appreciated your insights. And I already miss the E5 and the 35-100... well, a little anyway.

    Tom... Fear not, I always have my towel. Don't Panic. Bright line rangefinder cameras are a whole different style of working, and one I realize now, that suits me well. I'm enjoying making images again. I guess that's worth a lot.
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    Best of luck to you. I do understand where you're coming from.
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    Very interesting thread. I too am in my late 50's, I turn 60 later this year, and I must confess I really like my e5. I never understood the point of Leica, until last year when I was in London and visited their show rooms in the west end. They were amazingly hospitable, gave me and my daughter a coffee and we just sat and talked cameras, no hard sell or ulterior motives. But I did get the point about Leica cameras and if I were able to afford to join the club, I think I would.
    so good luck with your new venture, I am sure it will be very rewarding.
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    Thanks, Bob. I appreciate the kind thoughts.

    Guy, I don't think there is a "point" about Leica cameras, they're just a tool like any other camera. But your style of making images changes of necessity when using them. As I started out using them, I became comfortable with them very quickly back in the early '70s and frankly while I've used SLRs, TLRs, and just about every other kind of box with a lens over the years, the bright-line rangefinder camera suits my style of working the best. Leica stores have always had a jewlery store feeling. I remember going into one in southern California twenty five years ago and marveling at the carved wood display cases and fine china for the coffee. Myself, I don't buy into the boutique value of the marque, but I do appreciate the quality of the cameras. Frankly, of the seven lenses I have now, only two are Leitz lenses, both from the late '60s. There are some good buys in used Leica these days, and I've been able to take advantage of that. Bright-line rangefinders aren't for everyone, but if you ever get the opportunity to work with one long-term, you might just find it kind of liberating. Thanks for taking the time to drop in on this thread and say hi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laingjd View Post
    Welcome to the club. My bride refers to it as a sickness.....
    And apparently, it's contagious.
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    Take care, Roger! I always appreciated your thoughts and insights.
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    Good luck, Roger! I really am in love with the Oly zooms, but I understand where you're coming from - my first camera was a red-dial IIIf. It was a mechanical work of art.

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    I see you on the RFF all the time, Roger, so it's hardly good bye. ;-)

    I decided to keep my E-1. I love using it with the 35 Macro and with a couple of adapted Nikkor lenses. I've sold everything else except the 11-22/2.8-3.5 and 25/2.8. I don't use it that often any more, but it's still a very fine camera and I still like working with it.

    Most of my digital shooting had moved to the M-bayonet lens cameras by mid-2011 - the Ricoh GXR-M and later the M9. I'm very pleased with what they produce. In the past half year, I've done a lot more 'returning to film' than I thought I would at one point in the past, mostly 6x6cm and Polaroid SX-70. Today I have my favorite little Minox EC submini in my pocket.

    It's all good to me. Every camera sees its unique way. My task as a photographer is to meld the camera's vision with my own to capture and express what I want to.

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    later man
    take care
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    Quote Originally Posted by laingjd View Post
    Another Leica snob.......
    just an Olympus substitute
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riley View Post
    just an Olympus substitute
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    Quote Originally Posted by jap View Post
    Take care, Roger! I always appreciated your thoughts and insights.
    Thanks! That's very kind of you to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by TedKurkowski View Post
    Good luck, Roger! I really am in love with the Oly zooms, but I understand where you're coming from - my first camera was a red-dial IIIf. It was a mechanical work of art.

    Ted
    Thanks, Ted. The 35-100 really kept me in with Olympus for a very long time, but the last couple of shoots I did I found it getting heavier and heavier as the day wore on, and I found after a bunch of years that for me, primes are where it's at. I seem to just do better work shooting primes. So... that's how I got to where I am. Those old IIIs are works of art.

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    later man
    take care
    You too, Riley... thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I see you on the RFF all the time, Roger, so it's hardly good bye. ;-)

    It's all good to me. Every camera sees its unique way. My task as a photographer is to meld the camera's vision with my own to capture and express what I want to.

    Godfrey
    Indeed, Godfrey... there are more folks from here who show up over there too than I'd imagined... and it IS all good. Each of us has our favorite tools, and I've always been a believer in trying to get the right tools for the job. I think you've got it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger h View Post
    Each of us has our favorite tools, and I've always been a believer in trying to get the right tools for the job.
    That is a good attitude to have.

    For me; Leica is not the right tool; the lenses are great, but rangefinder and manual focus is not me. I do like my outfit to be compact, though. Fortunately, I am fine with EVF's and unclear menus, so I am finding a lot of interesting stuff in the -4/3 world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomsi42 View Post
    That is a good attitude to have.

    For me; Leica is not the right tool; the lenses are great, but rangefinder and manual focus is not me. I do like my outfit to be compact, though. Fortunately, I am fine with EVF's and unclear menus, so I am finding a lot of interesting stuff in the -4/3 world.
    There's an interesting thread going on another forum about whether the rangefinder focus and the live-view focus will coincide on the new Leica M-240... it'll be interesting to see how close a mechanical rangefinder can actually be calibrated. I used auto focus a lot under certain circumstances, but I also knew when it just wouldn't get the job done. That wasn't a problem with motor-driven lenses with a manual helical, but now that lenses are going completely "drive by wire" manual focusing is more challenging... and nearly impossible for me using EVFs. I'm glad that we have alternatives that suit nearly everyone!
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    For me, the issue is more one of precision and absolute manual setting accuracy. The servo-focus of all FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds lenses is the hardest for me to deal with, because in many cases when I'm shooting quickly I often just want to set a number on a ring and shoot. I don't need a rangefinder, a focusing screen, or an lcd display to focus with—I just need to set the distance where I want it. That's why using adapted manual lenses on the Panasonic G1 was so amenable to me, and why using M-bayonet lenses on a precision lens mount (where the distance registration isn't thrown off by adapter variability) works so well.

    I've been working this way so long I can't even explain how I estimate distance to people. I just see the distance, set a number on the ring, and shoot. I can also see when my subject distance has changed even a little bit and tweak the setting just enough to accommodate it, without waiting for autofocus or fussing with TTL magnification or focus peaking.

    Learning to see distance like this takes a lifetime, but the effect in use with the right camera and lenses is instant focus ... no lag, no AF ambiguity, no wracking the focus back and forth looking for the critical focus point. It's why I'm often just as happy with a scale focus camera as I am with the most sophisticated viewfinder and focusing aids or automation.

    Yeah, I'm a little off the norm... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Learning to see distance like this takes a lifetime, but the effect in use with the right camera and lenses is instant focus ... no lag, no AF ambiguity, no wracking the focus back and forth looking for the critical focus point. It's why I'm often just as happy with a scale focus camera as I am with the most sophisticated viewfinder and focusing aids or automation.
    You also need good binocular vision. I have a binocular vision impairment, so seeing distance like that you do, is not possible for me. So I need all the aids I can get to get a sharp image.

    But for you, I can see the benefit of using manual lenses with good distance scales. I like distance scales myself; I find them good for setting focus at the hyper-focal distance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Yeah, I'm a little off the norm... ;-)
    That's fine It would be a boring place if everyone was made from the same mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Learning to see distance like this takes a lifetime, but the effect in use with the right camera and lenses is instant focus ... no lag, no AF ambiguity, no wracking the focus back and forth looking for the critical focus point. It's why I'm often just as happy with a scale focus camera as I am with the most sophisticated viewfinder and focusing aids or automation.

    Yeah, I'm a little off the norm... ;-)

    G
    Interesting, Godfrey... as my working style is much the same. I frequently not only zone focus, but I frequently don't use a meter either, making judgements about the light and making the settings. That work style has caused me fits when working with camera automation as I don't always focus or set my exposures to "normal" or what the camera's systems are programmed to expect as "normal." Hence my frustration with trying to defeat the programmed features and the difficulty with which it is to use the manual functions of the current camera offerings. That also explains my relief at being able to use the "plain old" manual controls of the M bodies. I seem to gravitate towards shooting in difficult lighting situations, and typically not situations where the automation does well... either autofocus or autoexposure. Here's a shot from the first outing with my M8 a couple of months ago. The mixed-mode, dim lighting with the combination of verticals, horizontals and fairly deep DOF would have been a nightmare for most cameras' automation to try to deal with. I shot this hand-held without using a meter. It was a very simple shot to make with a manual camera; I'm not sure I'd have gotten it using auto modes on a DSLR... at least it certainly wouldn't have looked like I wanted it to.


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