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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Come on, guys, this is getting silly.

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Hi Guys & Gals!

    Interesting thread (except for the pie throwing).

    I agree with all of you! (Except darkesha's optimism that Olympus ever will prioritize C-AF.)

    I've had the E-M1 for almost a year and it is a great camera! In fact it is the best camera I have ever had!

    It has made me re-discover the charm and beauty of shooting BIF with all those wonderful MF lenses that have collected dust on my "for sale"-shelf (and luckily were not sold due to pure laziness). Sorry to say that I'll now gradually be putting my 4/3 lenses there instead - starting with the 90-250/2.8 and the 7-14/4. The Big Tuna, 50-200 and the EC's will stay as long as I keep my E5 though.

    I came back here to see if anyone have posted their experiences with the 40-150+MC-14, but it seems like not many have. Just got my kit this weekend and have not had time either. The initial impression on AF-speed and IQ is very good though but I don't expect it to become any revolution in C-AF performance (but I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does).

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Hi Jens,
    great to hear from you!!

    I also purchased the E-M1 and 12-40 Pro, but still have uses for the E-3 and 5, and am seriously considering the 40-150Pro and 1.4 converter, and a couple of the m4/3 primes to complete a much smaller form factor kit.

    I am also on the edge of selling some of my 4/3rds lenses including the 90-250, since I have actually only used it twice in over a year. I don't shoot nearly as much as I used to but that may change when I get ready to retire in a year or so, and just knowing I have all that wonderful SHG glass any time I want it is keeping me from selling any of it for the time being.
    There have been a number of reviews on DPR and the UK sites... most sound very favorable.
    Got to get over to Smugmug to see what you have been up to lately

    David

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Yes David, it is hard to part from such good glass.

    However, I need to free funds to buy the m4/3 300/4 when it comes out so some SHQ glass must go before it has lost all its value. Also, my recent discovery of the Speedbooster have made me invest in some 'not cheap' super fast MF primes... so unused glass has to be exchanged for money soon.

    The EM1 have brought back a lot of joy with manual shooting. It is almost like shooting with the OM-1 again.

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Hi Jens,
    Nice to hear from you!
    I shoot (birds) 95% of the time MF with both my 600mm (960mm with TN) telescope and the great "little" Canon 400/5.6L USM on my E-M1. Both deliver superb results IF you nail the focus. This one is even through a double glass window.
    click picture to enlarge

    For that, the EVF (...long, unending story...) is great. No issues with IQ as long as I stay below 800 ISO. Gets pretty noisy above that, which you notice as soon as you have to do any cropping. ETR is a must.
    I had my hopes in the new Canon 7DMkII, but there have been MANY horror stories about the AF; lightning fast but VERY unpredictable and inaccurate. A number of really experienced photographers are unable to take a single really sharp shot with it. I have yet to see a shot that jumps out at me the way my E-M1 shot do. Hopefully they will get it sorted, but so far it looks like a lemon. Seems that they banged a big thick AA filter in front of the sensor. Totally unnecessary with such fine sensors. Neither the E-M1 nor the D7100 has one, and I haven't seen a single shot of the 20,000 odd shots I have taken with them that showed even a hint of Moiré. (Had a D7100 as a backup last summer. Nice camera!)
    So it is wait and see what they are able to come up with in firmware updates. I must say, the thought of having E-M1 IQ with a fast AF system and really long lenses is tempting.
    Also looking into the new Sigma 150-600 S. Looks very interesting, and is the same weight as my scope. Same aperture on the long end (6.3) also. Not too impressed with the Tamron 150-600, especially on the long end, though there is a guy who gets really good results with a D800.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/coasta...7644820182203/
    Seems to know what he is doing!

    Cheers!

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Hi Daniel,

    yes, nailing focus is a pre-requisite for a great bird photo. I don't think there is any camera system yet that forgives that.
    Although MF works great for relatively static subjects, a good AF - in particular C-AF - is an enormous advantage for BIF. However, I have stopped hoping for Olympus to fulfil that need. A year ago, I was very close to switching to a Nikon D4s + supertele for that reason but mortgages and house repairs said stop. So, I decided to get the E-M1 and equip it with the best m.Zuiko lenses for everything else than BIF. I hoped secretly that it would work better than the DSLRs with the long 4/3-lenses but I kept the E-5 just in case. Although the E-M1 turned out to not work good enough for BIF, I'm pretty happy with the camera for just about anything else. And now... I'm secretly hoping that the m.Zuiko Pros: 40-150/2.8 and 300/4 with the 1.4x TC will make the BIF work... ...

    Nice hawfinch! I don't think you will see any Moiré through double window glass though. - Jokes aside, Moiré is certainly an issue with weak/no AA-filter bodies when you get close enough to the birds. However, most people who are not used to see the details in the birds' plumage will not notice. In fact, many will think the Moiré is how the feathers look like, so the problem is kind of limited anyway.

    Right now I'm looking at my new m.Zuiko 40-150/2.8 Pro and MC-14 kit wondering if it will bring anything new other than compactness to my gear. Apart from a few disappointing design flaws I have good hopes! The light here in Sweden at this time of year is definitely challenging for bird photography so I guess I'll know by the time the birds come back.

    Cheers, Jens,
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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Right. Knock them in with a rubber hammer and pull them out with your teeth. That's Oly for BiF. Unless the new 300/4 works wonders. Problem is, even if it does, it will no doubt cost more than a good used Nikon D800 and a Sigma 150-600S combined.

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    I think that the 300mm f/4 is not going to do wonders, as a lens can AF quickly, but the tracking mechanisms required for moving objects are generally in-camera, not in-lens.

    Comparing an Olympus prime lens with a Sigma 4x zoom lens is hardly fair, especially considering that Olympus already has a FF equiv. 150-600mm zoom lens.

    Sigma also happens to make a prime lens which is quite close to the Olympus 300mm field of view - the Sigma 500mm f/4.5. Its $5000 and weighs over 3kg, and for those focal lengths and apertures on FF, that is the cheap and lightweight alternative.

    I think I'll stick with my rubber hammer.
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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    Well, I definitely think the body and the lens together are making up for the AF-performance - in particular the C-AF.

    The camera body must naturally be tuned to each lens so that it can give the right signals to control things like acceleration, speed, settling times, focus error tolerances etc. However, no matter how perfect signals the camera sends to the lens for C-AF, it may not work very well if the lens has a too weak motor, too heavy moving parts, too low light transmission fully open (where focusing is done), etc. It was for example like day and night when the SWD-version of the ZD 50-200 came out - both for S-AF and C-AF - on the same body.

    Now, the 40-150/2.8 Pro has a different motor technology and it is a blazingly fast S-AFer. If just the body is capable of doing it's thing, I think the better lens will have an impact on the final performance also for C-AF.

    By the way, here is a Finnish wildlife photographer who likes it a lot: http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/20...m-f28-pro-zoom
    Make sure to check out his galleries with both Birds and Aircrafts in flight. (It may sound like a piece of cake to do aircrafts in flight, but sad to say, even that has been difficult for previous Olumpus cameras in C-AF-mode.)

    Anyway, time will tell and until then, I'm going to enjoy using this metal hammer for everything else.

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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    I do agree with what you are saying.

    What I'm saying is - with tracking, the lens needs to be fast enough for the camera to do it. I think there is no Olympus native m4/3 lens that could not do it, as they are all really fast at focusing.

    But the actual computations needed for tracking objects are done in camera, and that's something we'll get with a new camera body

    EDIT: well, there is another option. We could get a firmware update. Quite a few firmware updates have improved the E-M1 already.
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    Default Re: EM1 + Big Tuna&2x tele& autofocus = meltdown and an order of an E5

    We'll see.

    Cheers, Jens.
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