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    Default So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    And I'm not impressed. I thought the ergonomics were poor - that thumb rest thingy just dug into my hand, and the dials were too close together. And the EVF was every bit as bad as I thought it would be for my eyesight.

    So I will be sticking with the E-5 for as long as they work.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Hi Thomas
    I got rid of my E-5 to go m4/3 and got an E-M5 - I just got tired of lugging all that weight
    around - My first impressions were completely opposite of yours - I found the ergonomics
    to be quite good - Granted some of the dials are close together but once I used it for awhile
    I found I really enjoyed it - I added the HLD-6 and find this to be a marked improvement -
    I don't have large hands and perhaps that is one reason I am comfortable with it - I liked
    it so much I acquired a second one as backup- I wear glasses and find the EVF very effective-
    The weight differential is quite substantial and at my age that is quite a plus when I am out
    and about - All in all I am quite pleased after using one for 17/18 months-
    Monty
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    My hands aren't enormous, but I really struggled to hold the body comfortably - but then, I find the E-5 without the HLD-4 grip to be a bit small now! That said, I imagine that improves with familiarity.

    What I would find harder to deal with is the tilt-only screen (although it was big and clear), and the EVF. I too wear glasses, but I also have severe astigmatism and an odd form of double vision, and I was getting banding and I could discern pixels in certain areas of the screen. Also the strip lights (I was trying it out inside a store) we're flickering in the screen, obviously some kind of frequency mis-match going on. I could see that seeing what exposure compensation would do to final picture was a useful feature, but all-in-all I'll stick with my OVF thankyouverymuch.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    My first impression was rather similar to yours, but given that its basically winter here for half a year, I could not live with the high ISO noise of 4/3 cameras. And so on a dreary autumn evening on a local ad site a used Fuji X100 popped up, and I bought it. I instantly fell in love, shooting f/2.0 @ ISO3200 was as if a completely different world of photography opened up for me and I took it with me everywhere, while the DSLR just stayed home.

    But the Fuji is a crappy camera in all ways except the sensor, it is slow to operate, slow autofocus, soft wide open, and of course, only one field of view. So I sold it (for not much more than I bought it, the joys of buying and selling used equipment) and bought an Olympus E-M5. Since I was coming from an E-620, this camera was much smaller and also had much more functionality, like dual control dials and 9fps. I could never afford the f/2 zooms, I only had the 7-14/12-60/50/50-200/EC-20 set, and moving from that to the high ISO capabilities of the E-M5 + the 12mm f/2, 20mm f/1.7 and 45mm f/1.8 has been a real joy.

    A major breaking point for me was a hiking trip to Corsica. Given that this is a 12 day long walk, the additional 1.5kg a DSLR kit weighs is simply too much. At the same time I got a really great deal on a brand new Olympus 14-150mm which I bought as part of a kit and after selling the camera go the lens for a whooping $170. This is, of course, the perfect hiking lens, and after getting it the fate of the DSLR kit was sealed.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    I have to wonder what I am missing when people complain about the high ISO noise of 4/3 cameras. I simply haven't seen it, which means that (a) I either have owned a string of remarkable cameras, or (b) I don't shoot in such low light that the camera has needed to switch to very high ISOs. I once shot a gig with red and purple lighting only, and still managed to get some very good shots, and that was before I had the f2.0 zooms. It was a bit grainy, sure, but that was part of the charm of the photos. And given that film rarely got above 400ISO except for very specialised purposes, I truly wonder what it is that people are looking for in their dSLRs (or EVILs, or whatever the current acronym for mirrorless is).
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    High ISO is extremely useful. It lets you minimize motion blur in a gigantic list of circumstances, starting with indoors and ending with air shows. It also lets you get more DOF where shallow DOF is unnecessary.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Agreed, but as I say I have yet to run into the famed "poor ISO problem", and I do a lot of indoor, low light shooting.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Quote Originally Posted by srtgray View Post
    Agreed, but as I say I have yet to run into the famed "poor ISO problem", and I do a lot of indoor, low light shooting.
    My ISO progression has gone something like this:
    -E-510, keep it at and below 400 or expect a big, hot mess.
    -E-30, use it up to 800 provided you don't underexpose. If you do you'll get weird, blocky (chroma?) noise.
    -E-5, use up to 1600, and the noise itself can be handled pretty well (non-destructively) in Lightroom.
    -E-M5, use up to 3200 but watch for banding.
    -E-M1, use up to 6400 but be careful not to underexpose.

    That's a lot of progress in about seven years.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    I'd like to see what you consider a "big hot mess" to be. I've had my E-3 up to 1000 and it's been just fine, I don't know what the E-5 has used, as I haven't noticed any problems that made me check. Perhaps my thinking is too film based?
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Quote Originally Posted by srtgray View Post
    And I'm not impressed. I thought the ergonomics were poor - that thumb rest thingy just dug into my hand, and the dials were too close together. And the EVF was every bit as bad as I thought it would be for my eyesight.

    So I will be sticking with the E-5 for as long as they work.
    That's why I didn't buy one. The E-M1 is much nicer on the ergonomics, and has a better viewfinder too.

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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Quote Originally Posted by srtgray View Post
    I'd like to see what you consider a "big hot mess" to be. I've had my E-3 up to 1000 and it's been just fine, I don't know what the E-5 has used, as I haven't noticed any problems that made me check. Perhaps my thinking is too film based?
    Unacceptable loss of detail.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse510/18

    To put it in perspective, my LX3 can shoot cleanly at higher ISOs than the E-510. It may be the newer noise reduction tools can recover more image detail than their counterparts at the time, but I've not done any tests. With the OM-Ds I rarely touch the NR sliders until I hit 800.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    I guess I was looking for "real world" examples rather than pixel-peeping reviews.
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    It is not a very good idea to use the dpreview photos too look at ISO noise; since they show what the camera's JPEG engine is capable of.

    When shooting in RAW, and using an up-to-date RAW converter, one will get much better results. I remember when I bought my E-620, it could be problematic even at ISO 800 when shooting RAW. Today, I shoot my E-30 at ISO 1600 and get usable results. E-620 and E-30 has more or less the same sensor. I am using Lightroom 5.

    I am not to happy with the E-M5 ergonomics either, the control wheels are offset a little wrong for my fingers - this is fixed in the E-M10, by the way (at least for me).

    For me, the EVF is one of the biggest improvements of the new cameras; for me even a poor EVF is better than an OVF. Major plus points are 100% coverage, detailed info overlay and instant review after the shot (so I don't have to chimp).
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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    It all a matter of personal taste. I really like my EM5 with the grip. I have no plans to upgrade to the EM1, although if Oly really does come out with an EM5 successor I might be tempted to upgrade to that. It will depend on how much better it might be.

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    Default Re: So, I tried an E-M5 today...

    Not sure I follow--are you asking for failed photos? I tend not to keep those.

    Cheers,

    Rick

    Quote Originally Posted by srtgray View Post
    I guess I was looking for "real world" examples rather than pixel-peeping reviews.

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