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    Default Need Advice On EC-20

    I've wanted to try and get some decent rodeo shots for quite a while - a couple of years. I don't get out much for entertainment events so I was was shocked at the prices to see a pro rodeo, the kind they show an TV. The nose-bleed seats were $15 which would put me out of reach even with my 50-200. I choked and got a $40 seat that put me equivalent to being in the end zone of a football field behind the goal post... at the opposite end of the arena where the chutes are. The good seats were $100. The kind lady that sold me the ticket said she could get me a discount so it was $32 including tax.

    Knowing that a bronc or bull ride lasts 3-8 seconds I figure the chance of anything coming down my way were slim to none so to better my chances I thought I'd look into getting the EC-20 to use with my 50-200. Shock again. I didn't know it was $480. Just wondering if there is a little less expensive one that will do the job as well as the oly one. I have the E-M1 with 12-40 pro, 45mm 1.8 and 50-200 non swd. Just wondering if the people that have the EC-20 find it useful enough for the investment. I also have the panny adaptor for my 50-200 to fit my E-M1 and would like to know if that will work if I decide to succumb to the EC-20.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    I have the es-20 and the 50-200swd, and have to admit that I don't use either of them that often, but when I have I've been very pleased with the results, despite the fact that the ec-20 gives a 'soft' picture.
    My reason for not using them often is that the subjects I tend to take are landscapes. But for me the ability to have an 800mm equivalent without the eye watering cost of a lens of that focal length is worth it. However if I were to be taking bird photographs, say, then the Ec-20 would not be good enough and I would want a lens of the appropriate focal length.
    The Ec-20 also gives you flexibility to carry less lenses if you need less bulk, e.g. Your 12-40 becomes 24-80.
    So at the end of this rambling I think that the EC-20 is an economical way to get long focal lengths without the cost of a dedicated lens, but you won't get those absurdly sharp images that you see taken with
    the top pro lenses.
    Here is a link to a shot at a motor racing event I took with the 50-200 +EC-20
    http://fineartamerica.com/featured/f...y-roberts.html

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    I've used the EC20 on the 50-200 for surfing photos and have been pleased enough. KEH has a couple for under $400. I've seen them now and then for about $350. Depending on how much you'd use it, it would be worth it. The EM1 has a built in 2x teleconverter. It's not a true converter; I think it just crops. But, could be worth a try with your 50-200.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    You may be better off opting for the EC14, keeping the extra stop for faster shutter speeds, and cropping as necessary. The EC20 retains less of the lens' sharpness than the EC14.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    "The Ec-20 also gives you flexibility to carry less lenses if you need less bulk, e.g. Your 12-40 becomes 24-80."

    But you really can't do that, can you? Put a 4/3 converter before a m4/3 lens, on a m4/3 camera, or am I missing something?

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Quote Originally Posted by caurt View Post
    "The Ec-20 also gives you flexibility to carry less lenses if you need less bulk, e.g. Your 12-40 becomes 24-80."

    But you really can't do that, can you? Put a 4/3 converter before a m4/3 lens, on a m4/3 camera, or am I missing something?
    No, you can't do that. The EC-14 and EC-20 only work with FourThirds lenses.

    I'd recommend the EC-14 over the EC-20. It is a perfect match to the 50-200—I think the 50-200 is actually sharper with the converter fitted. That's how I use my 50-200 most of the time.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Agree with Rick and Godfrey. On an E-M1, I would go for the EC-14 on the 50-200 and crop. Enough resolution to play with unless you are really too far away anyway.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    While an EC-20 will turn your 50-200 into a 400mm lens at the long end, it will also be f/7.1, that is though to overcome even with E-M1's high ISO capabilities.

    Also, if you're buying brand new, I recommend looking into the 75-300mm lens.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Thanks all for the input. It's helping a lot. Did a little searching and now its between the EC-14 and the 75-300. What would be the better IQ between the EC-14 with 50-200 or the 75-300? I'm anticipating needing high ISO's because it is an indoor arena but pro televised events are done there so I'm thinking the lighting won't to too bad. Just not excellent. In my own experience I've found that I can use up to ISO 4000 and a little nr to get acceptable results, even if some slight cropping is needed.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    75-300 II is a very good lens for the money. I prefer it to my 50-200+EC14. The FT combo might have the edge in creamy bokeh, but hey, if that is not what you are looking for.... AF is still much faster than the FT combo, despite the 1.4 firmware. Very light, not always an advantage, esp on the long end, but the E-M1 IS works great with it. I have read some slightly conflicting reports on the IQ at 300mm, but mine is clearly sharper wide open at 283-300mm than the FT combo at 283mm stopped down to 6.7.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Thanks Daniel. If I buy it looks like I'll go with the 75-300. I think the faster AF is the advantage. For what it's worth here's a pic of the arena I'll be. It's in Springfield, MO. Lighting doesn't seem to be too shabby. Like I said I'll be at one of the ends directly behind the basketball goals so not too sure how much cropping I'd need to do even with the 75-300. Think I'll try and walk around too and see if they'd have a problem with me standing in an isle down by the chutes for a few minutes to grab a few shots.

    Appreciate everyones time to give advice. It's been helpful.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    I have all three lenses. My favorite choice is the 50-200 SWD with no tc at all. Attach the EC14 is good enough to call sharp, the EC20 is soft but not so much that I'd rather blow up a shot taken without it to 200% with photoshop. The EC 20 on the 50-200 is about the same as when I used to have the Sigma 170-400mm 4-5.6 because you had to stop that lens down to f/8 anyways to have something useful... but giving up those stops of light for a closer field of view is a hard trade in my book, and I rarely use either tc on that lens.. my two cents
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Lorey,
    At what focal length was that shot of the arena taken?

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Daniel, I didn't take the photo. Guess I should have said that when I posted it. I posted it just to showing an example of the lighting and the distance I would be. I'll be 10 rows up from the floor. Even with a 75-300 at that distance I think I'll have to do some moderate cropping. Just a wild guess maybe the shot was somewhere about 15-25mm?? That's just an uneducated guess. I'm not too keen on things like that. I could be way off.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Looks to me like there will be enough light and you won't have to do much heavy duity cropping. 300mm should be long enough, I would think, and the E-M1 allows for quite a bit of cropping if you really need it.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Bradley View Post
    75-300 II is a very good lens for the money. I prefer it to my 50-200+EC14. The FT combo might have the edge in creamy bokeh, but hey, if that is not what you are looking for.... AF is still much faster than the FT combo, despite the 1.4 firmware. Very light, not always an advantage, esp on the long end, but the E-M1 IS works great with it. I have read some slightly conflicting reports on the IQ at 300mm, but mine is clearly sharper wide open at 283-300mm than the FT combo at 283mm stopped down to 6.7.
    There is no difference between I and II versions. The change is entirely cosmetic, it just looks different, same as with the two versions of the 40-150mm.

    Olympus called it the II version so they could gracefully stop ripping people off with a $900 price tag for the old one.
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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Not entirely, though the changes are smaller than I thought they were. Better coating, slightly changed AF (quieter and faster), no zoom creeping if held downwards... at least that is what people seem to say. I was not aware that they were so similar. Ah yes, the power of advertizing!
    At any rate, I got a newer one as a travel telephoto, like new for under US$ 500, which is about half what I paid for my used 50-200 ED and EC-14. I like it.

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    Default Re: Need Advice On EC-20

    Just made the buy on Amazon.. lens, hood and UV filter. Should get it Thursday. Thanks to all for the input.
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