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    Default Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    While I'm still in the 4/3 camp, I put my feet into the dreaded Canon sector this weekend with the acquisition of a new 5D mkIII with the f4 24-105 IS L and the 70-200 f4 IS L.

    Now all I have to do is figure out how the thing works.

    I am keeping the e3 with the 12-60 and my sigma 70-200 f2.8 for the things it does well. My old e500 and some kit lenses have been claimed by my 5 year old granddaughter who now has a portfolio on smugmug at http://peytonspics.smugmug.com/
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    I had a Mark II for a while and was able to find my way around quite quickly. Different, but well thought out. They could have picked up a few tips from Olympus though about the placement of buttons etc. I love the way I can do everything I need with my right hand on the E-M1. Have fun!! I am sure it will be.

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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    Thanks Daniel, it will be an adventure. Getting used to a new set of controls in different configurations is always daunting, but that's what puts spice in our lives I guess.
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    Good for "zee leetle gray cells" as Hercule Poirot says...

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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    indeed
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    One of the things I like best about my 5D Mark III is the menu system. To me, it just makes sense. I still can't understand the menu system on my E-M1. I just have a mental block when it comes to the E-M1 menu system.
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    John I had the same concerns with the Canon menu system because the E-30 system was pretty simple. I'll agree with Lawrence though, it is quite intuitive to use once you get into it. The recent pricing has had me thinking about the 5D myself. Good luck with it.


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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    To me the menu system in the Canon seemed more "logical". I often have to go searching for settings in the E-M1 because they aren't where they should be.

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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    It will go well for you Jim.
    That 70-200 F4L IS is an absolute gem of a lens.
    Cheers,
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    I do have a few tips for going from Oly to Canon. I don't know if they apply to the 5D (I have a 60D), but they probably do.

    The biggest (and to me the most annoying thing) with the Canon cameras is that the exposure compensation control (EC) does not become active till you half depress the shutter. In other words, to change the EC, you have to first take an exposure reading (by half-press), then you only have a few seconds to turn the ring for EC. If you wait too long or take a shot, you are out of "EC mode" and have to do it all over again, even though the 60D (and probably the 5D) has a turn ring usually devoted to EC. Whatever EC you set remains in effect, but you cannot CHANGE it without doing this whole half-press dance again. With the Oly, you could change EC at any time by just pushing the EC button and turning the control.

    Another difference - "shutter shock" is called "mirror lockup," and it works somewhat differently, whether in viewfinder mode or live view mode. In standard Live View mode, most advanced Canons do not move the mirror at all, so it is meaningless to use Mirror Lock. My old E-520 would flap the mirror regardless, so you needed to use it even in LV mode (not sure about the E-3).

    Have fun with the 5D!
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    Thanks all.

    Lawrence, Will, and Daniel: I can now report that I have become comfortable, more or less, with the menu. It is fairly logical. I'm sure that it will take some further practice to master it, something that I never accomplished with the e3 after 6 years.

    Don: I agree, the 70-200 f4L is a very capable bit of glass, very sharp and reasonably priced as well.

    Rich: Thanks for the heads up on the EC, I'll have to practice with that one. "Mirror Lock" makes more sense, to me, than "shutter shock", the latter took me a long time to figure out on the e3 as I was used to locking the mirror up on film cameras. The e3 flaps the shutter in LV same as the e520, that always seemed awkward, but I understand why they did it that way. I only ever used "shutter shock" (shouldn't it be anti-shutter shock?) when doing long exposures to eliminate vibration as much as possible.
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    Quote Originally Posted by jnicklin View Post
    shouldn't it be anti-shutter shock?
    I just looked it up - it is "anti-shock" which isn't too shocking, I guess.

    I agree that mirror lock is usually used with long exposure, even using a tripod. With some of these large DSLRs, I think it might be important.

    Also, I just want to elaborate a little about mirror lock. To be really useful, you have to use it in conjunction with the self-timer and remote (unlike with an Oly camera).

    Live View Mode
    Mirror lockup is essentially meaningless in Live View when you use AF-mode "Live View", because the mirror doesn't move. If you use AF-Mode "Quick Mode" the mirror DOES move. ("Quick Mode" is where the camera goes into viewfinder mode, uses phase detect af, then goes back to LV and takes the picture.)

    Viewfinder Mode
    Also, concerning mirror lock in regular viewfinder use, with a remote control (as you might do for a long exposure from a tripod), here are some notes I wrote for myself:

    Viewfinder, AF, with mirror lockup and WITH remote with back-switch set to 0 time
    (you also set the Drive mode to 2 or 10 second timer so the camera will recognize the remote. It doesn't matter which time you use if you use the remote - the remote's switch on the back determines whether a delay is used)

    Under these conditions, when you press the remote it takes the picture instantly (focuses and activates shutter), so the mirror lockup is meaningless (i.e. it doesn't help in any way).
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    Viewfinder, AF, with mirror lockup and WITH remote with back-switch set to 2 time

    Under these conditions, when you press the remote, it focuses, then the mirror flips up, then the 2-second wait happens, then the shutter is activated.

    This is exactly what is needed for long exposures.
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    Me again. That description I typed above can be kind of involved and confusing, so let me boil it down into one simple thought:

    Mirror lock on a Canon DSLR is just that - it locks the mirror up. Critical point: it does not introduce any type of delay. So you must use it in conjunction with the 2-second self-timer plus the remote in order to get what you usually want with it - a pause before the shutter activates to let any shaking to stop. This is unlike Olympus anti-shock, who purpose and reason for living is to introduce a delay.
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    Thanks Rich that's clear and instructive.
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    I got usd to the to failry quick, Now I just bought a Nikon D7100 and it starts all over.. Man the MFG cant even put dials in the same place.. I turned the nikon on and off a few times trying to change Aperture, why they put the on off switch up near shutter is beyond me.. and what both canon and Nikon both need is more button programmable like the oly have, and all three need a a way to assign a button you can assign to cycle af modes, without having to take your eye off the VF
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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    They both (Canon, Nikon) have a ways to go to catch up with Oly as far as ergonomics and layout is concerned!

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    Default Re: Pulled the pin and bought a new set of gear

    When I first got my D800 I almost had to get on nerve pills due to the complex menu. Nikon manuals are hundreds of pages long and usually it takes a third party book to explain it all. My D800 has four customizable menus so four different shooters can use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lkeeney View Post
    One of the things I like best about my 5D Mark III is the menu system. To me, it just makes sense. I still can't understand the menu system on my E-M1. I just have a mental block when it comes to the E-M1 menu system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmonaut View Post
    When I first got my D800 I almost had to get on nerve pills due to the complex menu. Nikon manuals are hundreds of pages long and usually it takes a third party book to explain it all. My D800 has four customizable menus so four different shooters can use it.
    After a few weeks of use, I can say that the Canon menu is far less opaque compared to the Oly menu on my e3. For me, it's much more intuitive, although I have found over the years that what is intuitive to one person can be mind boggling to another.
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