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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Bradley View Post
    Would seem that way to me too, but according to the Oly guy, only the E-M1 is affected and if mine burns again, they will replace it again. Cheeper than the extra R+D effort.
    It is probably an outsourced part anyways; so they might get them replaced for free ...
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobT View Post
    Since I just pulled the trigger on an E-M1 purchase and get 236 sunny days a year, I'll be in that
    Bob, the problem seems to be amazingly specific. I got my E-M1 on first release, never had a problem treating it like any other camera I have used. Then Daniel and others had endless burns and like others I took a lot of care to avoid direct sun into the VF. But as time has gone on I rarely bother shading it now, including a whole day in the bright sun here (highest UV in the world). I remembered late in the day and checked in a panic, no problem.
    I guess one should still be careful, but it would not stop me buying the E-M1 again.
    I wonder if the E-M1 VF is different in material or design from the other models? I don't know if they ever said.
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    As I understand it, "there are no significant construction difference between the viewfinder of the E-M1 and the VF-4, VF-2 or the Viewfinder of the E-M10" but the optics in the E-M1 are a bit different. Who knows? Maybe they changed something since they first came out... anyway, as you say luck of the draw as far as the EVF and ones eyeballs are concerned.
    I contacted 3M and they are sending me a "sample fan" of their foils. Might not have the sticky stuff on them, but it will be enough to see what/if it works and how much it effects the viability.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Not a specific response, but I am wondering if the add on longer rubber eyepiece would diminish some of the light entering the EVF. I need it for proper eye placement anyway. A long shot suggestion, but any port in a storm. This problem is a mystery I would like to see addressed. Along with the business of the slippery rear dial which happens under some circumstances to some people. Such a nice camera too, as mom would say, Dan. Bummer though.....costly camera to have to send back and back for same lemony problem. Idea: Tell them you got a lemon and want a brand new camera post haste. As we can do with cars here in the colonies....gs

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Brand new camera wouldn't help. It is a case of design failure that seems to affect people who use a high diopter setting and work in the sun. Cheaper to keep replacing the TFTs than to find a fix. I use a semi wrap around eye cup anyway, but the burn happens when you take the camera away from your eye with the sun behind you.
    It IS a nice camera though, in spite of this one issue.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Well, the E-M1 viewfinder is similar to the VF-4 viewfinder in specs, but the details might be different (the E-M5-I/E-M10/Stylus-1 VF's are similar to the VF-2 viewfinder). Now that the E-M5-II is shipping I would watch that camera also, since I believe it uses a similar spec'ed VF. Perhaps Olympus put in some fixes for it, perhaps not.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    I had it happen on my EM-5 also, maybe I was the only one... but twice on my EM-1.. still has one now I just haven't sent it back in yet...
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    Yes, I knew about that so I don't quite believe Olympus when they tell me only the E-M1 is affected. Maybe they haven't had any cases here other than with the E-M1. I am probably the current record holder here...

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    I had my E-M5 lcd burn out when I took the camera down to Florida. But cases seem rarer for the E-M5 mark 1. As I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I wonder if we are going to see a rash of postings about the E-M5 mark II, since I believe it also uses the E-M1 viewfinder.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Well, I got some samples of 3M's Crystalline window tinting film, but I am afraid it will not do the trick. Takes away too much on clarity as I suspected. I wouldn't say it is totally awful, but it just makes the VF look like it hasn't been cleaned in a while. Everything looks a bit smeared. Whether it would even be effective or not I can't test right now due to our usual crappy spring weather and lack of sun, but I will. At any rate, it was a nice idea, but I would rather spend the money on a piece of optical glass that cuts out 100% of the IR as opposed to the 35-50% (depending on the film) 3M claims. The films that cut out more IR are also much too dark anyway.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Finally got a little sun and did some tests with a magnifying glass. The 3M foils do not work unless they are so dark that you can't even see through them. So it is off to the telescope shop to buy a KG3 filter to the tune of about $80. It better work!

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    Good luck with your project.
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Well, more I can not do....
    Here is a short video showing how the IR CUT filter does what it is supposed to:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/xu4r22qpo7...piece.mov?dl=0
    I found that a cheaper ($40) filter worked just as well as the KG3 filter at over twice the cost, so I got one, and after testing to see if it did in fact work, I ground it down and fit it into a modded E-M1 eye piece. I know, it looks funky as hell, but it is better than what Oly has been able to come up with!

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    I will continue to take the same precautions as before, but I am hopeful that it will be enough to protect against those short moments when the sun does find its way into the VF. The nice thing is that even though the redish glass coatings show up at an angle like this, looking directly into the VF, there is no discoloration and no darkening of the EVF.
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    You need a 3D printer to make yourself a custom eye piece for that thing.
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Yeah, pretty rough work, but close enough for government work, as we used to say on the construction site.
    The eye cup part is a work-in-progress. It is made out of automotive windshield glue, which is quite elastic and strong. I could make a mold and do a nice job by casting the thing, but I don't want to until I am sure I like the shape. Easy to cut stuff away and build stuff up, just looks like crap. Problem is you can't turn it because of the two little eye sensors for the automatic EVF switch. They can't be blocked. So I am kind of stuck with the rectangular shape. I don't want to make the cup part too big, otherwise it is in the way in portrait mode. Borderline as it is now.
    If it does in fact work, maybe I will do another, but at $40 a pop for the filter.... hmmmm.... Maybe just the filter in a standard EP-12 eye cup is the best anyway.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    I've just sent my primary E-M1 body in for the sunburn repair. It has gotten so bad that I can hardly use it for my whale shooting work. The secondary body is getting the same, but not as bad, so I'll send it in when I get the first one back. Other than that problem, I really like these. I'll be curious to see what a Mk II looks like in this series.
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Ken,
    Let me guess.... you also are using a rather high (+6 or 7 clicks from the middle) diopter correction, and shooting without glasses...

    I have sent my information and the links to my videos to my contact at Olympus and the main man on the German Olympus forum has passed it on to his Olympus contacts, but as yet, no response. When I first suggested it in the fall, my Oly guy got in touch with Japan, and they told him that an IR cut filter could/would/should work, but that it distorts the viewfinder or something like that. The one I made does not distort, darken or discolor the VF in any way. I really don't even notice it, whereas the foils I tried were not at all good in that respect. Still don't know if it will really work in the field, but I was out yesterday in the bright sun (!!... finally!!) and nothing happened. My first case of sunburn was just a year ago on a day just like yesterday doing pretty much what I was doing yesterday, taking pictures. Somehow I don't really feel like deliberately holding the camera in the sun to see what will happen, even though that might be the only way to really find out.

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Daniel,
    My setting is pretty close to middle, that is 6-7 clicks to one end. I have to shoot over the top of my prescription sun glasses, since the polarization in them makes the EVF useless. I have tried a new pair of non-polarized dark glasses of the same prescription, but that does not work well either, as they transmit too much glare for my comfort at sea. Hopefully, Oly will get tired of these replacements, and make a permanent fix. We'll see. I'll keep the group updated as we go through this.
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    Well, that is proof that it does NOT simply affect people with high diopter settings as I was told by Olympus, and as I suspected myself. I myself did a test on a shot EVF-TFT just before I sent it in. I set it at full + minus 1, my usual setting, and deliberately held the camera for one second with the late afternoon sun shining directly into the VF. Sure enough, there was a cluster of new spots. I then set it in the middle (7 clicks from either end) and held it the same way for five seconds, and nothing happened. Maybe six seconds would have done the trick!

    Please do keep us informed, and maybe even ask your rep about the IR filter idea. Theoretically they know about it, but that it THEORETICALLY in caps and bold.

    The Oly people here told me last fall when I approached them about the idea, "... our specialists are aware of filters that can reduce some wave lengths in order to eliminate their destructive impact on the lcd in the viewfinder. However, this solution has a dark side. The visibility of the viewfinder is distorted." *... and then a couple of weeks ago, "there will be no special accessories to prevent the viewfinder from getting burnt, nor there are any plans for spare parts modifications", and then, "If you found an inofficial sollution to this issue, feel free to implement it." (sic.)

    They could do it SO easily!!!

    *NOT the case with the filter I used!

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Bradley View Post
    Well, that is proof that it does NOT simply affect people with high diopter settings as I was told by Olympus, and as I suspected myself. I myself did a test on a shot EVF-TFT just before I sent it in. I set it at full + minus 1, my usual setting, and deliberately held the camera for one second with the late afternoon sun shining directly into the VF. Sure enough, there was a cluster of new spots. I then set it in the middle (7 clicks from either end) and held it the same way for five seconds, and nothing happened. Maybe six seconds would have done the trick!

    Please do keep us informed, and maybe even ask your rep about the IR filter idea. Theoretically they know about it, but that it THEORETICALLY in caps and bold.

    The Oly people here told me last fall when I approached them about the idea, "... our specialists are aware of filters that can reduce some wave lengths in order to eliminate their destructive impact on the lcd in the viewfinder. However, this solution has a dark side. The visibility of the viewfinder is distorted." *... and then a couple of weeks ago, "there will be no special accessories to prevent the viewfinder from getting burnt, nor there are any plans for spare parts modifications", and then, "If you found an inofficial sollution to this issue, feel free to implement it." (sic.)

    They could do it SO easily!!!

    *NOT the case with the filter I used!
    Daniel, patent it and go into production.

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    No way! That is up to the professionals to do, if it can even be patented. I'm am sure it is not the first time it has been done. Besides, I still don't know if it really works, and I don't feel like "testing" it deliberately. At least I know if it doesn't, the EVF will be replaced again under warranty. That is something, for sure.
    It cost me about $50 and a couple of hours work. Worth it to me if it works, even though I really feel Olympus dropped the ball on this one.

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    Update: I finally got my E-M1 back from Oly repair yesterday. 41 day turnaround. EVF burn problem seems to be fixed (or at leased returned to normal), but they did not do anything about the salt water corrosion on the contacts below the hot shoe. I specifically complained about that in my letter to them, stating that I shoot whales at sea, and that always keep that cover in place. The contacts work (tested with the macro light), but they sure look ugly. Paperwork returned stated cleaned, calibrated, and firmware updated. Not sure how thorough the cleaning was, in light of these contacts, but the main thing is there are no longer any burns on the EVF. I have a second body to send in, but will wait till I return from next trip, which starts in much less than 41 days from now.
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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    41 days??!!

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Back from Scotland. I had plenty of chances, and took zero precautions, but I FAILED to get any more green spots on my EVF!


    I carried it around all the time lens facing down (usually the Canon 400/5.6), and shot with the sun behind me many times. By the end I was using it just like any other camera without worrying about the angle of the sun or constantly covering the VF. I must say, it was really nice not to have to be thinking about it the whole time.
    A guy here has reported green spots on his E-M5 II set at 0 diopter compensation! They immediately replaced the whole camera!

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    Default Re: Solution to the E-M1 EVF burn problem?

    Good to hear that you found a workable solution to the problem. Pity that Oly won't do something to prevent it and relieve owners of the wasted time sending damaged cameras back to the company.
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