Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Lappeenranta, Finland
    Posts
    53
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Question Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Hi

    Just asking here before running through the whole camera manual.
    When taking pictures inside with flash the images taken are too
    underexposured no matter how I set the ISO or aperature ..
    yes .. there might be some deviation when doing that but
    seems like there is some setting wrong (or my e-30 broken down..).
    The pictures I get are all too dark and have lots of noise - they are of
    no use.

    any suggestions.. ? .. never happened to me with my long gone e-300 . . .

    br.
    smogu
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    smogu (e-300),14-45,14-54 mk1,40-150,ex-25,ec-20,70-300


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Lappeenranta, Finland
    Posts
    53
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	PC214572.JPG 
Views:	97 
Size:	143.0 KB 
ID:	49323
    for example this .. how can it be so dark .. hope the exif information is still there ..
    ISO-400, flash used, flash mode flash, compulsory, exposure 1/60, f f/3.5, . . i hope this is
    some stupid user error ..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    smogu (e-300),14-45,14-54 mk1,40-150,ex-25,ec-20,70-300


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Northern California, USA
    Posts
    1,723
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Could be many causes. I assume this is the pop-up flash and not a hotshoe flash? You can tell it fired and is synching correctly with the shutter, from the shadow and jacket reflection.

    I'd first check the flash exposure setting to make sure it's set to neutral or even introduce over-exposure. Try a higher ISO setting and different meter patterns. Oly Viewer is helpful because it displays pretty much all the camera settings; more than a typical EXIF viewer.

    It's probably something simple.

    Good luck,

    Rick

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NH, USA
    Posts
    2,592
    Thanks
    57
    Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts
    Feedback Score
    13 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    If you are using Aperture priority, that might be the reason. I know that my Canon 60d has special options governing how the flash will behave in Aperture mode. I guess it is because A mode by definition makes the camera set the shutter speed, but using the flash also makes it chose a shutter speed for a proper synch speed. So there can be a conflict. Or something like that. I find flash very confusing anyway. I do know that I usually switch to Program mode (oh, the shame!) when using the flash because it's easier than dealing with all that.

    Not sure if this is your problem, of course...
    Rich
    Olympus E-M10; Panasonic GM5
    m4/3 lenses: Oly 75-300; Oly 14-42 f3.5-5.6 II R; Oly 17 f1.8; Oly 40-150 f4.0-5.6 R; Oly WCON-P01 adapter; Rokinon f7.5 fisheye; Sigma 19 f2.8; Pan 20 f1.7; Pan 12-35 f2.8; Pan 12-32

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    27
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    The EXIF is there...

    Camera Maker: OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.
    Camera Model: E-30
    Image Date: 2014-12-21 11:14:59 (no TZ)
    Focal Length: 27mm
    Aperture: ƒ/3.5
    Exposure Time: 0.017 s (1/60)
    ISO equiv: 400
    Exposure Bias: none
    Metering Mode: Spot
    Exposure: aperture priority (semi-auto)
    White Balance: Auto
    Flash Fired: Yes (Auto, return light detected)
    Color Space: sRGB

    I have vague memories of many discussions about this back in the 4/3 days. You're using aperture priority which forces the flash to function as a fill-flash and I believe that especially when combined with spot metering, there are some strange results. If you shoot in P or S, I believe the problem goes away as it uses to flash to expose the scene properly rather than just powering it enough to be a fill. If it doesn't, then I'd be curious what your results are with evaluative metering.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Ayer, Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    4,655
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts
    Feedback Score
    20 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    I recall there was this thread in 2008, where travelfotographer weighed in on how Olympus choses the flash settings: http://forum.fourthirdsphoto.com/thr...d-P-with-flash.

    Unfortunately travelfotographer is not listed as a current member.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NH, USA
    Posts
    2,592
    Thanks
    57
    Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts
    Feedback Score
    13 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Quote Originally Posted by snap View Post
    You're using aperture priority which forces the flash to function as a fill-flash and I believe that especially when combined with spot metering, there are some strange results. If you shoot in P or S, I believe the problem goes away as it uses to flash to expose the scene properly rather than just powering it enough to be a fill. If it doesn't, then I'd be curious what your results are with evaluative metering.
    Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about in my post above. I remembered after I shut down my computer that the default flash on my 60D in Aperture mode was FILL-FLASH, not regular flash, because of what you said. So when you tried to use it, you got a very poorly lit scene. The options the camera has allow you to change this behavior (like use the flash fully even in A and use a proper synch speed).

    Now that I see the exif, I am almost positive that this is the problem here.
    Rich
    Olympus E-M10; Panasonic GM5
    m4/3 lenses: Oly 75-300; Oly 14-42 f3.5-5.6 II R; Oly 17 f1.8; Oly 40-150 f4.0-5.6 R; Oly WCON-P01 adapter; Rokinon f7.5 fisheye; Sigma 19 f2.8; Pan 20 f1.7; Pan 12-35 f2.8; Pan 12-32

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    5,135
    Thanks
    58
    Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0
    Real Name
    Tom

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    @RAH: Canon works very differently to other makers when it comes to flash in Aperture mode. So I think there is something else going on here. 1/60s, f/3.5 and ISO 400 should render this scene sensibly. What is the flash exposure compensation set to? I can't find that info in the EXIF.
    flickr | "God made the integers; all else is the work of man" - Leopold Kronecker

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NH, USA
    Posts
    2,592
    Thanks
    57
    Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts
    Feedback Score
    13 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Yes, you could be right, and I agree that the flash should work fine under the exif options shown.

    I checked my notes from earlier and the default for a Canon camera using the built-in flash in Aperture mode is to give you an exposure as though you are not even using a flash, with the flash only firing as a fill-flash. In other words, in low-light conditions, you will get a very slow shutter speed and you'd better be on a tripod. But you will not get the dark conditions shown in the sample.

    One of the options Canon has is "#2 - 1/250", which gives you a shutter speed of 1/250 regardless of the available light, and then uses the full flash to light the scene. So is that just what Olympus defaults to, something like that? If so, then yeah, looks like the OP has a different problem.

    Now I remember why I get confused about flash...
    Rich
    Olympus E-M10; Panasonic GM5
    m4/3 lenses: Oly 75-300; Oly 14-42 f3.5-5.6 II R; Oly 17 f1.8; Oly 40-150 f4.0-5.6 R; Oly WCON-P01 adapter; Rokinon f7.5 fisheye; Sigma 19 f2.8; Pan 20 f1.7; Pan 12-35 f2.8; Pan 12-32

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Tampa, Florida
    Posts
    539
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Just another thought. I don't have an E-30, but on my E-3 I have several options for flash control, from full all the way down to 1/64 power. Check you E-30 for your flash control options. That is totally different from your exposure control, and similar to the comments above about Canon's "Fill Flash"
    Steven R
    Tampa, Florida

    E-330, E-520, E-3

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Ayer, Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    4,655
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts
    Feedback Score
    20 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Recent Olympus cameras have an option to separate exposure adjustment from flash adjustment. If you don't enable the menu, you won't see the menu to adjust the power of the flash.

    One other thought would be if you are doing a remote flash setup using an optical trigger, you need to set the trigger flash to manual power mode (typically setting 1/64 or 1/128 power, whichever your camera has). If you use a normal flash mode, Olympus will fire a pre-flash to figure out settings, and the remote flash then would fire when it sees the pre-flash, and it would be charging when the main flash is fired, leaving the scene dark. It didn't sound like you were doing remote flash, but I thought I would mention it.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Lappeenranta, Finland
    Posts
    53
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    hi..
    thx for the possible causes of this ..
    checking it out as soon as possible ..
    i first thought that it was the polarizing filter I had on
    but the removal did not help a thing ..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    smogu (e-300),14-45,14-54 mk1,40-150,ex-25,ec-20,70-300


  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Northern California, USA
    Posts
    1,723
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Dug out my E-30 to refresh my memory. The SCP has two flash menu items:

    -Lightning bolt gives access to auto, redeye, off, 2nd curtain, full and fraction settings to 1/64.
    -Compensation mode (below) gives -3 to +3 EV range.

    My bet is your solution is in one of these menus.

    Cheers,

    Rick

    ETA Wow, I haven't shot the E-30 since January '14. Battery was flat but luckily it hadn't reset everything.
    Last edited by Rick_D; 07-12-2015 at 05:50 PM.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Erie PA
    Posts
    339
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    Also check the contacts on E30; I had one stop communicating with the camera/lens also make sure you don't have the E30 onboard flash in radio control. That has happen to me on several occasions when I forget to reset as I am scratching my head why the Flash is not syncing and getting dark images.
    Lou Cioccio

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Diamond, Missouri
    Posts
    1,209
    Thanks
    43
    Thanked 54 Times in 41 Posts
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default Re: Indoor shots with flash fails miserably

    why would you be using spot metering for an indoor flash shot?
    FLICKR
    Have a great day!
    Lorey

    Please ask before editing images. Thank you.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •