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    Default Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Two new lenses announced - the Panasonic 100-400mm f/4-6.3 zoom, weighs 985 grams and goes for $1800.

    And the Olympus 300mm f/4, weighs 1.5kg and goes for $2500.

    Anyone thinking of getting either of these?

    I'm guessing the big question is, how is the 300mm f/4 + the 1.4TC performance, making it a 420mm f/5.6 lens, vs the Panasonic @400mm and f/6.3?? If that Panasonic turns out to be a killer lens, that could make for one very very nice telephoto option.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I already have all the 4/3rds SHGs and a few HGs , got the 90-250 for it's versatility, and never considered the 300 F2.8, as I did not do wildlife or birds. I still use the E-3 and 5 with them, I refuse to sell them, and also use them on the EM-1.
    I also have the 12-40 and 40-150 Pro for possible travel use, but won't duplicate the 8mm and 7-14 M4/3rds versions.

    I have no real interest in 100-400 Pan Zoom, but the Oly 300 seems very tempting with the 1.4 TC to give me reach I never had. (and take up birding again with a lighter kit ;-) I simply could no longer justify or consider the 4/3 300 f2.8 even at the lowered used prices.

    If what Olympus claims is true, then the 300 F4 + EM-1 (or future EM), should be a fantastic combo, and I will most likely go for it after all the hoopla dies down in a few months and they offer it with a discount of $100 or so.
    I simply could not justify the cost of the
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Yeah, with these kind of prices, I think you have to be a bit dedicated at shooting telephoto.

    Anyway, for me the Panasonic 100-400mm lens seems the better option, it just gives more versatility, and zooming in to 400mm is just awesome.

    I also admit to having serious issues acquiring the target at 300mm Being able to acquire at 100mm and then zooming in to 400mm would work better for somebody like me, who shoots telephotos on a rare occasion.

    At the same time, if all the wildlife pictures are shot completely zoomed in, then there is no point in having a zoom, better to just pick the longest prime possible.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I think I will stick with what I have!

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    The 4.0/300 is very tempting for me, although the price - may it be justified by the quality - is a hazitating moment for me at this time, as I do not earn my money with birding shots.
    Currently I do the teleshots with the 2.8/40-150mmPro plus TC14, which serves me quite well, or I use the old combo 2.8-3.5/50-200mm ED with the TC14 on the E-M1 or the E-5. So I'm not sure if and when I jump to the 4.0/300mm.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I have the 4/3 14-35 but as I have the m4/3 12-40 I suspect it won't get much use on the em1 unless there is a noticeable difference in image quality.
    The other 4/3 lenses: 7-14 & 50 fit nicely on the em1 and focus is not a problem so I guess the only one which might benefit being replaced due to size is the 50-200, but it gets very little use anyway.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    With either lens I'll be looking for comparisons to the older 75-300mm 4.8-6.7 or the pany 100-300mm 4.0-5.6. I know both the older lenses get soft (and slow) on the long end (I own neither), but for a non-pro like myself it may be very hard to justify the cost (and extra bulk) of these new options. I'm sure the difference will be obvious at 1:1 but that's not how my photos are displayed. I suppose one could expect better subject isolation and bokeh, faster focusing, and better stabilization, but it's pretty hard to see it being worth 5 times the price. I don't see them selling a ton of these...even for the rare pro shooting m4:3 for wildlife I wonder does the old 300 F2.8 still rule for image quality.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielH View Post
    With either lens I'll be looking for comparisons to the older 75-300mm 4.8-6.7 or the pany 100-300mm 4.0-5.6. I know both the older lenses get soft (and slow) on the long end (I own neither), but for a non-pro like myself it may be very hard to justify the cost (and extra bulk) of these new options. I'm sure the difference will be obvious at 1:1 but that's not how my photos are displayed. I suppose one could expect better subject isolation and bokeh, faster focusing, and better stabilization, but it's pretty hard to see it being worth 5 times the price. I don't see them selling a ton of these...even for the rare pro shooting m4:3 for wildlife I wonder does the old 300 F2.8 still rule for image quality.
    Daniel, your thoughts are right on the button. For some who are into wildlife in a serious or professional role, the new lens used often would be perfect and the price justifiable. For most, the other lenses you mention work just fine. I have the Oly 75-300 II and it is a very nice and transportable lens. I hear from people who have used both that the Panny is softer than the Oly, and some have changed after first using the Panny. Some say the Oly is soft wide open at 300mm, but I'm not so sure. Any 600mm equivalent lens needs care and practice to hand hold, especially a small lightweight lens like the 75-300.
    I do wish that Olympus would produce a simple but extremely capable 300 or 400mm prime, the equivalent of say the Canon 400mmF5.6 which I use on my 1D body. It would not need all the bells and whistles of the new 300mm. The in-body IS which has already been paid for works fine when that lens is mounted on the E-M1 ! They would sell heaps of them, but then again, Olympus have always strayed to the complex and innovative to their cost.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Baldwinson View Post
    Any 600mm equivalent lens needs care and practice to hand hold, especially a small lightweight lens like the 75-300. ​!!!
    Olympus have always strayed to the complex and innovative to their cost.
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    One of the main problems I see with Oly touting 6 stops stabilization on this lens, enabling it for "hand holdability", is that it would be fine for static subjects, but may be very problematic and disappointing for action shooters if they cannot get the shutter speeds up high enough to stop subject movement!

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Yeah, I wonder, how does that IS stabilize the bird?

    Honestly, I too would be more interested in a simple, no-frills 400mm f/5.6 lens at half the price. But I think Olympus is aiming more for the premium market, with premium build, premium features, and - premium prices. I think even if they did it, I doubt it would be better or cheaper than that Panasonic, which is f/6.3 at 400mm.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmunds View Post
    Yeah, I wonder, how does that IS stabilize the bird?

    Honestly, I too would be more interested in a simple, no-frills 400mm f/5.6 lens at half the price. But I think Olympus is aiming more for the premium market, with premium build, premium features, and - premium prices. I think even if they did it, I doubt it would be better or cheaper than that Panasonic, which is f/6.3 at 400mm.
    They went for the premium market by producing premium lenses to attract the Pros to 4/3, but that failed. I think the new 300mm will be more of a success now that m4/3 has more credibility than 4/3 had in the wider sense. But I'm certain the simpler long tele would sell heaps more.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Baldwinson View Post
    They went for the premium market by producing premium lenses to attract the Pros to 4/3, but that failed. I think the new 300mm will be more of a success now that m4/3 has more credibility than 4/3 had in the wider sense. But I'm certain the simpler long tele would sell heaps more.
    Cheers,
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    i agree. Olympus want the em1 to be considered a professional grade camera. After all everything bar the sensor size is up there. And if they want to attract that market then top class lenses have to be available.
    The question is, will the premium market take the format seriously?

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    "The question is, will the premium market take the format seriously?"

    It is a bit a question of what one considers the "premium" market to be, people who want the best, or people who need the best, or just sensible people with time and money on their hands who love to take pictures.

    For the first two groups, I don't think so unless and until they are able to improve higher ISO performance. Lets face it, the Olys get pretty noisy already at ISO 400 for the professional market. But, combine better noise control with the new lenses and who knows? The E-M1 has a LOT going for it, and who knows what an E-M1 Mk II would be like, but there is work to be done if they want to compete with the likes of the new Nikon D500. They were smart. They went from 24 MP (D7200) back to 20 on the D500 (same sensor size, no AA filter!!) and were able to greatly reduce noise, which will cause the (in my opinion rather lame) Canon 7D II real problems. 10 fps, 200 shot 14 bit raw buffer, native ISO from 100-51,200, 100% OVF coverage with 1.0x magnification, and a newly developed Sony sensor (even the D7200 made both the 7D II and the E-M1 wobbly in the knees). To me, those are the kind of things pros are looking for. They are more concerned with how a camera will perform and what it will deliver than size and weight issues. Plus the fact that action photographers HATE EVFs, and with good reason. Do the pros really keep the companies alive? In the sense that the enthusiasts like to buy what they see the pros using, perhaps, but in terms of units sold, I think not.


    The one area where I see the new mFT stuff perhaps making real inroads into Canikonland is in nature photography. (I don't think I have used my normal shutter once since the firmware v4 came out. I LOVE the silent, SHUTTER SHOCK FREE!! shutter). But even in that field there is work to be done. 300mm is simply too short even on 4/3, 420/5.6 is just getting there. For the nature guys on the other side life begins at 500mm on crop bodies with roughly the same pixel pitch as the E-M1. The new range of 150-600 zooms is selling very well, especially the Sigmas, (there are MANY Tamrons on the used market, but NO Sigmas). I would love to try one on my E-M1 with the Metabones adapter, but I doubt that the IQ would match the Canon 400/5.6. The big question is how well it will autofocus with a TC attached. The new Nikon 200-500 is superb. One of those on a D500 would be hot!.... and only twice the weight of my E-M1+ Canon 400/5.6.
    500mm and 600mm primes are still the non plus ultra for the pros.

    I see the E-M1 and the new lenses more as equipment for the rather affluent and serious enthusiasts who ARE concerned with size and weight, and want the best there is, and there the mFT system is a wonderful compromise between performance and portability.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Don't get me wrong I do really like Olympus, but...
    As far as being a "pro" camera, or system, it is never going to happen for them and they know it!
    While some "Pros" are using some Oly gear, it still mostly remains a secondary kit for more of their lightweight shooting needs.
    The EM-1 and 5 though innovative, are cameras that Olympus is touting as "Pro",along with "Pro" lenses to appeal to the mass markets . The word "Pro" is being used as a marketing ploy to attract users that are succumbing to all the in camera gimmick software trickery that Oly is bloating the new cameras with. Features that are without a doubt much better accomplished in a PP program! JMHO...
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by dh202 View Post
    Don't get me wrong I do really like Olympus, but...
    As far as being a "pro" camera, or system, it is never going to happen for them and they know it!
    While some "Pros" are using some Oly gear, it still mostly remains a secondary kit for more of their lightweight shooting needs.
    The EM-1 and 5 though innovative, are cameras that Olympus is touting as "Pro",along with "Pro" lenses to appeal to the mass markets . The word "Pro" is being used as a marketing ploy to attract users that are succumbing to all the in camera gimmick software trickery that Oly is bloating the new cameras with. Features that are without a doubt much better accomplished in a PP program! JMHO...
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    Hi David. I think in terms of marketing and sales, we could consider a wider view of what I suspect PRO could mean.
    The few pros I have met are conservative in their gear, and not likely to change. They have used brand * for years, are heavily invested in their equipment, and importantly they receive professional backup from their manufacturer almost wherever they are. They don't care for, or show much interest in other brands, let alone a niche manufacturer like Olympus no matter how innovative.
    But there is a another class of camera user who we see mostly in these forums, the amateur enthusiast or part time professional, who aspires to use the best quality equipment they can afford, needed or not. It is their passion.
    I would think this would be quite a large market, and I'm reading comments in forums from such people who own pro full frame systems who are now buying E-M1 and similar as a second system, while retaining their large gear. And quite a few now who, after a time finding they are using their pro gear less and less and selling it off. This was unheard of in the 4/3 era, but now that Olympus have got back to their roots with a compact system being refined all the time, their niche may be expanding.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I tend to mostly agree with all that Don. I just feel rather than refining the primary features of the "Pro" models by getting the DR and noise problems under control with a better sensor, Oly is bloating them with too much firmware trickery, menu confusion, and button controls, trying to be all things to all people. This ultimately becomes a "Jack of all trades- Master at none" kind of result.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Agree.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I think that Olympus has a major problem, which is that they don't produce their own sensors, and at the same time, they don't have the buying power like Nikon to demand manufacturers to produce ones for them. So they are left with scraps.

    On another note, the problem I have is that, well, I did not buy into the smaller sensor of m4/3 to carry around 1.5kg lenses. There are plenty of DSLR APS-C cameras with very nice lenses that are not really that much heavier, at least not significantly so. So what I'm saying is that I think this is a rather poor effort, they should have done it lighter and cheaper.

    I mean, the highly acclaimed Pentax 300mm f/4 is full 400 grams lighter than the Oly. And for the price of the Olympus, I can buy that Pentax lens, plus the Pentax flagship K-3 II camera and still have $900 left over! I don't see this going in Olympus' favor.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I'll probably never get either of these but it's nice to know they are there in case a desperate need arises.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    David, please send me a sound file of you singing your ditty. A video would be even more rewarding
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by dh202 View Post
    One of the main problems I see with Oly touting 6 stops stabilization on this lens, enabling it for "hand holdability", is that it would be fine for static subjects, but may be very problematic and disappointing for action shooters if they cannot get the shutter speeds up high enough to stop subject movement!
    and here it is ladies an gentleman precisely what I said a few days ago, quoted right up front, from a new review by Imaging Resource...



    "An aperture of f/4 is certainly quite bright for a 600mm lens, but it's still only half as bright as an f/2.8 sports zoom, so the fast shutter speed potential can be compromised depending on the available light. This is why those 6 stops of I.S. are so alluring, because if you're trekking around the wilds during magic hour and find yourself poised for the perfect shot of a gorgeous animal, it's great to be able to aim and fire without fooling with the tripod nor give too much concern for shutter speeds in order to avoid blur from shaky hands".

    Then they outright contradict themselves...

    "That being said, having 6-stops of I.S. when using a compatible camera* allows you to shoot comfortably and steadily with some remarkably slow shutter speeds given the lens' focal length -- think 1/15s based on our testing. Yes, you can shoot with shutter speeds that slow! While the I.S. system will soak up camera shake, you should be aware that shutter speeds might dip slow enough to cause blurring if your subject happens to move".

    some really funky areas in those very first images also, not really all that sharp at all. I am really not all that impressed any more, and there are going to be a lot of cry babies who buy this lens because of the evangelist and huckster hype, expect IT to perform miracles, don't have good enough technique, and get less than sharp images !!l

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/news...-now-a-reality

    I rest my case!
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I pre-ordered the 100-300 Oops, 100-400 today. I hope it arrives in time for my Antarctica trip, leaving Mar 4.
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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    I don't think they contradict themselves at all, just make the distinction between camera shake and motion blur.

    ...there are going to be a lot of cry babies who buy this lens because of the evangelist and huckster hype, expect IT to perform miracles, don't have good enough technique, and get less than sharp images !!l

    Ain't that the truth!Wildlife shooting, like macro or street photography or any other specialized skill, has a steep learning curve. While having the right tool can make your task easier, the technical side of photography has always involved making choices and balancing shutter, aperture, exposure, and other elements. Since the stunning pictures we all admire were made with yesterday's technology, the hucksters prey on the naive who believe that all that separates them from great results is better equipment.

    Olympus is not alone, as Canikon live on hype. Olympus and Sony may overplay their innovations, but at least they are creating them. There is nothing wrong with admiring new technology as long as you remember that it alone does not create better photographs.

    Photography has not changed since its origin except in its technical aspects, which for me are not important.

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    Default Re: Olympus announces the 300mm f/4 and Panasonic - the 100-400mm f/4-6.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ken610 View Post
    I pre-ordered the 100-300 today. I hope it arrives in time for my Antarctica trip, leaving Mar 4.
    Hi Ken, great to hear you are getting into it again!
    Have you seen this site about the 100-300?
    Cheers,
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    http://naturalexposures.com/leica-lumix-100-400mm/

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